another species i don't need - you never need 'em do ya?? - at any rate here's my first setup - got the exoterra vivs used - bought the other supplies except substrate at hobby lobby - man you can find anything in there - bought 2 12/12/18's and supplies to dress up both real nice - got about 100 bucks in each one - I know a tub works fine - thats what my balls are in - - -but it is my first and you know how it is - let me know what you think??[IMG][/IMG]