well, after the last post i wrote, i did it with a rock and well, you get the rest, also to one of the above, post, its not the guys, fault he did what many have done and listened to a chainstore, i needn't metion the name cause you get 2 chances to get it right, also somone said i shouldn't have taken it, sorry but if i didn't and could have survived god, help it in his setup, also to let people know it WAS NOT my snake, i may not be an expert but this never would of happened in my care, thanx guys and gals, theses photos should be stickied to show what can happen with UNSUPERVISED feedings. poor snake, RIP no-name