Im not down playing codoms all im sayin is that some people are trin to sell a much more comon codom at the same pirce as a visual recessive. would you invest ure money in a more stable long term recessive or a codom which is actualy a visual HET. for example if u had the money for only one when they first came out would u have bought a pastel which is a visual het or would u have bought a pied which is a homozygos animal. You would have spent more money on the pied but u would have got a longer and much more stable return. That is the compairison im tring to convay. You dont have to agree with me but ive seen the economics of it work over the past 7 years. You will see a return much faster on a codom but it will also lose value much faster. I will never buy a new codom in its first three years because i know how quickly that decline will happen once it gets to the classifieds on kingsnake. This is a true example,you can research it because it is a fact, I watched adult pastels go from 3,000 dollars to 600 dollars in about 3 years, you dident see the pieds do that. The Albino was one of the first morphs produced in captivity,Bob Clark if im not mistaken back in the mid 90s and that animal will still be sellin for about 500 bucks retail this season, pieds will still be bringin 1200 bucks this season ....what are pastels sellin for ....oh thats rite bout a 100 bucks this season supers about 350,recessives are sold investments with 15 years of economics to prove it. I just dont think the current market supports new codoms being introduced at prices that are the same as the new and much rarer and much harder to make recssives. the only thing that makes them sell is the illusion of big money quick, im sorry to say for most that doesent happen. Take that same money and buy a pair of pieds and those babies will sell. Recessives will never loose their appel to the savy investor with a little more money to spend