Blue Eyed Leucistics - question regarding BluEL offspring

[Wh00h0069]

It is possible to get normal's from a BEL breeding. If one of the BEL's parents was a normal carrying the lucy gene, which does happen, what do you think a Vin Russo Het Lucy is? They're really just normals that are Het BEL.

A BEL can not be a normal carrying the gene. A BEL is a super form. I think you may be referring at a lesser or Russo het Lucy, which is not a super form.

[icygirl]

Interesting...

Here's another question... If you bred a Mojo to a Lesser and got a BEL, and then bred the BEL to a normal (no hidden genes involved), then would you get a clutch of Mojos and Lessers? Or is it not that simple? This is assuming that Mojo x Lesser can make BEL's.

[Wh00h0069]

Interesting...

Here's another question... If you bred a Mojo to a Lesser and got a BEL, and then bred the BEL to a normal (no hidden genes involved), then would you get a clutch of Mojos and Lessers? Or is it not that simple? This is assuming that Mojo x Lesser can make BEL's.

It is that simple.

[AaronP]

A BEL can not be a normal carrying the gene. A BEL is a super form. I think you may be referring at a lesser or Russo het Lucy, which is not a super form.

I didn't say a "Normal" is a BEL or could produce a BEL, I said that a BEL could produce Normals that are Het. Lucy.

Russo Het Lucy + Russo Het Lucy = Russo BEL

Russo BEL + Normal = Russo Het Lucys (Which Look like Normals)

People have produced BELs before from breeding Lessers, Mojaves, etc to "Normals" which turned out to be carrying the Lucy gene.

[stevenkeogh]

Mojave, Lessers, Russo het lucy/high yellow/lemon line, butters when combined with each other or with themselves can produce a super "lesser complex" blue eyed lucy.
A phantom combined with lesser has been proven to produce a BEL as well.
The homozygous form of the phantom is not a typical BEL.
The "hidden gene"/"Platty gene" plays no part in the creation of BELs.
No one knows for sure whether the woma hidden gene and lesser complex hidden gene have anything to do with each other yet, it is just a theory.
A BEL bred to any morph or normal will not produce normals because they pass one of their alleles down to the offspring making them at the least heterozygous for their respective trait.
A BEL or any super form is not the same as a bumblebee. You do not get any BELs in a clutch involving BEL X Normal, the bumblebee traits have the ability to produce themselves.
-Steven

[stevenkeogh]

I didn't say a "Normal" is a BEL or could produce a BEL, I said that a BEL could produce Normals that are Het. Lucy.

Russo Het Lucy + Russo Het Lucy = Russo BEL

Russo BEL + Normal = Russo Het Lucys (Which Look like Normals)

People have produced BELs before from breeding Lessers, Mojaves, etc to "Normals" which turned out to be carrying the Lucy gene.

Sorry to point out the false information you are attempting to pass on, BUT... a Russo het lucy is not a normal. They are distinguishable from normals making them a codom trait.
There are no "normal het lucies".
That is like saying that yellowbellies are normal het ivory. They are not normal looking.
-Steven

[AaronP]

Sorry to point out the false information you are attempting to pass on, BUT... a Russo het lucy is not a normal. They are distinguishable from normals making them a codom trait.
There are no "normal het lucies".
That is like saying that yellowbellies are normal het ivory. They are not normal looking.
-Steven

*sigh*

I'll have to hunt down the RR show where a big breeder talked about "Surprises". I think it was a Barcyzk show but I'm not sure, at work right now.

And every Russo I've ever seen looked pretty darn normal to me, and a few breeders whom I've talked to about them. Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean I'm "spreading false information"

I'd also like to point out that I said they Look LIKE normals, but they aren't. It's a co-dominate trait because 50% of it's offspring will carry the lucy gene, well that applys to Het Albinos too you know, they look like normals but they carry the Albino gene with a 50% chance of passing on it's genes when bred to a normal. The homozygous form = Albino, no different for a Russo, except the Homozygous form = a BEL.

[Shadera]

It is that simple.

And..The lesser/mojave cross BEL produces a whiter head than the super mojave BEL.

[dreese88]

I have a hard time telling normal's from Het lucy's, but the belly's give it away for me. They have a clear bell with no markings at all. Which I would say make them distinguishable and not like het for recessives

[OhhWatALoser]

*sigh*

I'll have to hunt down the RR show where a big breeder talked about "Surprises". I think it was a Barcyzk show but I'm not sure, at work right now.

And every Russo I've ever seen looked pretty darn normal to me, and a few breeders whom I've talked to about them. Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean I'm "spreading false information"

I'd also like to point out that I said they Look LIKE normals, but they aren't. It's a co-dominate trait because 50% of it's offspring will carry the lucy gene, well that applys to Het Albinos too you know, they look like normals but they carry the Albino gene with a 50% chance of passing on it's genes when bred to a normal. The homozygous form = Albino, no different for a Russo, except the Homozygous form = a BEL.

straight from NERD... no they don't look normal, which is why its co-dom, you do know that albino is a recessive trait right?


Genetics
Co-dominant

The Russo het Leucistic is named for Vin Russo @ Cutting Edge Herp, who produced stunning, clean white Blue-Eyed Leucistics from breeding his "high yellow lemon" ball pythons together. To avoid confusion with other mutations sharing similar names, this particular bloodline has been dubbed the Russo het Leucistic. These are beautiful ball pythons, with bright pigmentation, white highlights & an unmarked belly. Russo het Leucistics often exhibit busy lateral patterns with a donut or "keyhole" shape. The resulting Blue-Eyed Leucistics from this line are extremely clean, bright white with minimal (if any) markings. Subsequent breedings have determined the Russo hets to be compatible with Mojaves in producing Blue-Eyed Leucies.