Breeder Loaning?

[Clyde Frog]

Just to ask, because I was interested in breeding my normal (since he is 100% het for albino) can a female only be bred to one male for her lifetime? Or can multiple males mate with one female throughout her life?

I'm very confused on the matter

[dreese88]

females can be bred to as many different males that they will lock with throughout there lives. many breeders use different males each season.

[rabernet]

I have no problem doing breeder loans. Provided its local. I wont ship anything off for just breeding. I dont even have to know the person very well i just need to know where they work and live so i can find them if they try to screw me.
And it depends on what the hatchlings are. If im interested in them i might want a couple but im not greedy. I try to make things as simple as possible.
If its a male someone wants to borrow from me ill let them take it home.
If its a female it stays with me and they can bring their male over.

That's way too casual for me, personally. Do you ask them about their QT process? Do you QT their male at your home if they bring to you? Signed contracts?

Brave, brave woman if you don't even have to know them very well.

Guess I'm way overprotective of my animals to just let someone take home one of my animals if I don't know them very well.

[Shadera]

I think the breeder loans are a fun idea and I'd love to do a few in the coming years, provided I know and trust the person.

[Darkice]

That's way too casual for me, personally. Do you ask them about their QT process? Do you QT their male at your home if they bring to you? Signed contracts?

Brave, brave woman if you don't even have to know them very well.

Guess I'm way overprotective of my animals to just let someone take home one of my animals if I don't know them very well.

Of course ill check their set up and make sure they know what they are doing. Im not just going to give my pets to anyone off the streets. When doing breeder loans you basically getting free animals and its worth the risk. You can get new morphs that would cost you money otherwise.

[rabernet]

Of course ill check their set up and make sure they know what they are doing. Im not just going to give my pets to anyone off the streets. When doing breeder loans you basically getting free animals and its worth the risk. You can get new morphs that would cost you money otherwise.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that. I don't think that my animals are worth ANY risk. If I don't know you, and know your collection and experience level, then I won't entrust my animal to your care (you in the general sense, not you specificially).

I dont even have to know the person very well i just need to know where they work and live so i can find them if they try to screw me.

Do you have written contracts with people that you lend your animals out to? Do you trust them to be able to tell if your animal is sick or stressed? That bolded part is what would scare the bejesus out of me. That just seems too risky to me. I have way to much invested in my animals.

And it depends on what the hatchlings are. If im interested in them i might want a couple but im not greedy. I try to make things as simple as possible.

When doing breeder loans you basically getting free animals and its worth the risk. You can get new morphs that would cost you money otherwise.

Sounds like you are doing breeder loans in the first quote to help others out - and you still feel it's worth it to risk YOUR animals to someone you don't even know that well?

My two breeder loans last year were with two people that I trust like no others - and STILL we had contracts that left nothing to chance - no small detail wasn't covered. I'm even repeating a breeder loan with one of them (who has my female) and we're writing a new contract for THIS breeding - not going "we'll just extend the current contract". And I TRUST this person. But it's best to make sure that we are both on the same page with our understanding of the terms of the loan.

For example, my female got a very mild RI after about a month in this person's care. And they rushed her to their vet. Their vet was amazed that they even picked up on the fact that she had one, because it was hardly even detectable - but this person is soooo attentive to their animals, that at the very FIRST sign of trouble, didn't dawdle. I dare say that they were more concerned about it than I was - because I trusted them enough to know that it wasn't their fault - in fact, the vet said that the stress of moving across four states (we met half way) and adjusting to a new home was the most likely reason she developed it.

Before BOTH of my breeding loans, the people that had my animals even took my animals and theirs that were breeding to mine to their vets for complete work ups after their QT periods to include fecal exams to make sure that neither animal had internal parasites before they were ever paired.

Perhaps I'm just too anal about my animals and who I trust them to.

[seclark]

Just to ask, because I was interested in breeding my normal (since he is 100% het for albino) can a female only be bred to one male for her lifetime? Or can multiple males mate with one female throughout her life?

I'm very confused on the matter

BP's are hoe's they don't even ask each other's name!

[Mettle]

As noted, I could send a male to a person, what is to stop them from breeding that male to myriad females, etc., or to misrepresent clutch size etc. Again... trust the person you send your animals too.

So is that what's going on with Les? And now you're distracting me with seven beautiful eggs from Lu?

Haha. Just kidding. So far so good, right Bruce?

Personally speaking, I've done two breeder loans so far. One was with a gecko and went fine. The other is currently ongoing with two ball pythons. No problems with either. But we also had/have contracts that both parties had significant input on and that were signed.

I would never personally do it with someone I wasn't very trusting of or not friends with. And even then I think a good, detailed breeding loan contract is needed to fend off any possible issues. I think we've all seen one or two longtime hobby friendships crash and burn because the parties involved thought they didn't need to set out in writing what was transpiring... It can get really ugly.

[CamStatic]

I voted I've never done a breeder loan, but a very good friend of mine just bought a pinstripe and a pastel male, so I will most probably loan one of those next season.
We haven't discussed how to split the clutch, but we will probably go 50/50 as far as it's possible, in either money or babies, all depending what he wants.

[4theSNAKElady]

I've done breeding loans, and yes, the two most important things are 1) do it with someone you trust. 2) Draw up a contract you both agree on. I've done loans before and was very pleased with the results. I almost did another loan with someone, and when I didn't agree to the terms of the contract THEY drew up cause I thought it was unfair, I backed out. No signing, no obligations. I just took my snake and didn't participate. Don't do it if you don't think it's fair.