First Lock Up!

[nixer]

Well, if these animals had any disease or parasites (which they don't, b/c they got a vet checkup and we were told they were very healthy) don't you think they would've obtained everything by now... Someone said just opening the new box in the room of your current collection is enough to spread whatever they have to your whole collection, so shouldn't being shipped in the same small box be enough to spread what they.. But thankfully they dont have any types of disease, or infections, or parasites, thanks to our awesome vet!

thats impossible to say because there is 2 virii that they dont even have a test for other than after the animal is dead! and IBD is one of them the other no one is quite sure what it is. and from all ive heard both could be airborne as well as contact

i hope your trying to buy an incubator now.

[SGExotics]

thats impossible to say because there is 2 virii that they dont even have a test for other than after the animal is dead! and IBD is one of them the other no one is quite sure what it is. and from all ive heard both could be airborne as well as contact

i hope your trying to buy an incubator now.

Really? wow, thanks for the info nixer i appreciate it! yea, but my uncle is actually friends with the breeder, and his friend said the snakes have never had any symptoms of ibd such as stargazing in their life (he raised them up from hatchlings)... And yea, im already building my incubator, i got the plans from here: http://www.eyehit.com/degei/supportf.../inc/index.htm

its an awesome and simple design and looks like it could fit a few egg boxes

[stangs13]

Oh i respect him a lot! and i respect everyone here, I dont care wether they've been doing this for 100 years or a week, i show everyone the same amount of respect.

I just have to reply to what you said before:
"Quarantine doesn't do any good if you place the 2 animals together."

Well, the reasoning behind quaranting is to provent your current collection from getting any disease or mites that your new snakes could potentially have... correct? Well, if these animals had any disease or parasites (which they don't, b/c they got a vet checkup and we were told they were very healthy) don't you think they would've obtained everything by now... Someone said just opening the new box in the room of your current collection is enough to spread whatever they have to your whole collection, so shouldn't being shipped in the same small box be enough to spread what they.. But thankfully they dont have any types of disease, or infections, or parasites, thanks to our awesome vet!

Did the vets do any blood work or take a stool sample to make sure there are no parasites/critters? Quarentine needs to be started over in your quarentine room if you get new animals in.

[JD Constriction]

QTing can be just for the remainder of your collection but it can also be between QTed animals. Again like many husbandry choices it depends on how much risk you want to take.

If you have a quarantine setup and put 3 animals from 3 different breeders in the same quarantine setup you run the risk of one of the animals having an issue and "infecting" the other 2 animals. So QT can be used not just to keep your current collection healthy but also from other animals in QT. Again this is just a choice just as QTing is a choice.

So while QTing new animals all together protects your current collection...it doesn't protect the QT animals from each other.

That being said even with a bill of health from the vet I believe you said he hadn't run a fecal exam on them yet (e.g. poop exam). So what this means is you really don't know for sure that by breeding they aren't spreading something between one another because they haven't gotten a full "clean" bill of health back from the vet.

Now if you got both of these animals from the same breeder then there is a lower risk of one infecting the other....simply because chances are good if one has something already the other does too. But generically speaking it's a good idea to make sure animals are 100% healthy before breeding them......again though everyone is entitled to take as much or as little risk with their collection and breeding as they want.

I hope that makes sense and is helpful for you.

Oh i respect him a lot! and i respect everyone here, I dont care wether they've been doing this for 100 years or a week, i show everyone the same amount of respect.

I just have to reply to what you said before:
"Quarantine doesn't do any good if you place the 2 animals together."

Well, the reasoning behind quaranting is to provent your current collection from getting any disease or mites that your new snakes could potentially have... correct? Well, if these animals had any disease or parasites (which they don't, b/c they got a vet checkup and we were told they were very healthy) don't you think they would've obtained everything by now... Someone said just opening the new box in the room of your current collection is enough to spread whatever they have to your whole collection, so shouldn't being shipped in the same small box be enough to spread what they.. But thankfully they dont have any types of disease, or infections, or parasites, thanks to our awesome vet!

[SGExotics]

QTing can be just for the remainder of your collection but it can also be between QTed animals. Again like many husbandry choices it depends on how much risk you want to take.

If you have a quarantine setup and put 3 animals from 3 different breeders in the same quarantine setup you run the risk of one of the animals having an issue and "infecting" the other 2 animals. So QT can be used not just to keep your current collection healthy but also from other animals in QT. Again this is just a choice just as QTing is a choice.

So while QTing new animals all together protects your current collection...it doesn't protect the QT animals from each other.

That being said even with a bill of health from the vet I believe you said he hadn't run a fecal exam on them yet (e.g. poop exam). So what this means is you really don't know for sure that by breeding they aren't spreading something between one another because they haven't gotten a full "clean" bill of health back from the vet.

Now if you got both of these animals from the same breeder then there is a lower risk of one infecting the other....simply because chances are good if one has something already the other does too. But generically speaking it's a good idea to make sure animals are 100% healthy before breeding them......again though everyone is entitled to take as much or as little risk with their collection and breeding as they want.

I hope that makes sense and is helpful for you.

Nicely Said JPMan,
I got these snakes all from the same breeder, in the same package, so if one had anything, the rest would probably too. I also emailed him before they came to see if they were house near eachother, and he said the males had been housed together and the female had been housed together (male container, female conatiner)... the two containers next to eachother in the rack system... He also said that very week, the newsprint would be changed and sprayed with provent-a-mite since they were hatchling (he raised them up)... Now you may say that he might of been telling somewhat of a lie, but this is one of my uncles friends, and my uncle does a lot of business with him, so the guy knows, if anything were wrong with these snake (disease, parasites, mis-labeled animals) that he would lose all business with us, and he doesnt do very well business in the first place lol

[SGExotics]

Did the vets do any blood work or take a stool sample to make sure there are no parasites/critters? Quarentine needs to be started over in your quarentine room if you get new animals in.

I actually wasn't there (i was in school), but my father took them to the vet and got them checked out, and said they ran a lot of tests, and blood tests were one of them... & the vet also checked off a list of things to check with reptiles for my dad to take home, and they did a lot of stuff, i wish i were there to video tape it, that would have been very interesting the only thing that isnt checked off is the fecal exam, and we just have to wait for these guys to poop and we're gonna bring them in...

[blackcrystal22]

Good luck for your breeding season, those pictures don't look like locks to me, but if what you say is true, you may have some luck.

I've been keeping snakes for 5+ years and reptiles for 7+ years. I am now just slightly confident to start breeding with my knowledge of corn snakes (a good beginning breeder) for the experience. (Alb x Normal so there will be little value worth). I still do not feel I am ready to breed bps, as to me, I feel it's important to get everything else down first and try to make things as perfect as possible everywhere else.

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[nixer]

Nicely Said JPMan,
I got these snakes all from the same breeder, in the same package, so if one had anything, the rest would probably too. I also emailed him before they came to see if they were house near eachother, and he said the males had been housed together and the female had been housed together (male container, female conatiner)... the two containers next to eachother in the rack system... He also said that very week, the newsprint would be changed and sprayed with provent-a-mite since they were hatchling (he raised them up)... Now you may say that he might of been telling somewhat of a lie, but this is one of my uncles friends, and my uncle does a lot of business with him, so the guy knows, if anything were wrong with these snake (disease, parasites, mis-labeled animals) that he would lose all business with us, and he doesnt do very well business in the first place lol

thats enough for me i wont be buying from richmond constrictors houseing snakes together!

[SGExotics]

thats enough for me i wont be buying from richmond constrictors houseing snakes together!

Oh no, they arent from richmond constrictors lol Your getting my albino and my het albinos confused... I bought my albino from richmond constrictors, and the hets are from a private breeder, not like a company or anything... And yea, truthfully, i dont think ill be doing much business with him anymore anyways... Im looking to get a female pin and a male lesser from bhb or somewhere thats more heard of... Then from there, im just gonna produce.

[SGExotics]

Good luck for your breeding season, those pictures don't look like locks to me, but if what you say is true, you may have some luck.

I've been keeping snakes for 5+ years and reptiles for 7+ years. I am now just slightly confident to start breeding with my knowledge of corn snakes (a good beginning breeder) for the experience. (Alb x Normal so there will be little value worth). I still do not feel I am ready to breed bps, as to me, I feel it's important to get everything else down first and try to make things as perfect as possible everywhere else.

:]

Nice! thats a lot of years of keeping herps! Ive been keeping bp's for a while now, since i was about 9... Then i got an rtb at 13 or 14, then at around 14 i really started getting into the whole reptile thing Ive been keeping reptiles since i was 5, but they werent bp's they were like frogs, and corns... I had some help from my parents at the time though, since i was so small so its been about 6 years i've been keeping bp's and 10 since my first reptile i have a pretty decent sized collection now, consisting of 15 snakes (13 bp's and 2 rtb's) And if you have the time, and space, you should definately giving breeding bp's a shot! Its not all that hard, and looks to be very rewarding in the end! Also, i gently lifted one of the tails slightly and the hemipenes were in the females vent! So if thats not locking up idk what is lol