Killer bee

[philippe]

Hey everyone
IM new to this forum since i havent posted anything yet but have been looking for a long time now.
I have a female normal and a very nice male pastel (possible super)
Anyways my question is how does it work when you get a killer bee
I understand basic genetics but a pastel + spider makes a bumblebee because one pastel allele combines with one spider allele right

and what makes a super pastel is two pastel alleles right

so how does combining a super pastel and a spider make something different than combing a pastel to a spider
you cant have two alleles from one parent so how do you get killer bees from super pastel to spider

May be stupid question but it beats me

Thank you

Philippe

[blackcrystal22]

Hey everyone
IM new to this forum since i havent posted anything yet but have been looking for a long time now.
I have a female normal and a very nice male pastel (possible super)
Anyways my question is how does it work when you get a killer bee
I understand basic genetics but a pastel + spider makes a bumblebee because one pastel allele combines with one spider allele right

and what makes a super pastel is two pastel alleles right

so how does combining a super pastel and a spider make something different than combing a pastel to a spider
you cant have two alleles from one parent so how do you get killer bees from super pastel to spider

May be stupid question but it beats me

Thank you

Philippe

There is no mistake between a pastel and a super. If you bought a pastel, it is almost a guaranteed pastel. I doubt a breeder could make that mistake and loose money over it.. :]

I could be wrong on this, but I'm using what I know about genetics. Because the Super Pastel is Homozygous, it can only transfer one pastel gene to each of the offspring..
So let me see.. From the SP x Spider I think it would have all bumble bee offspring.. However, Isn't the spider gene Heterozygous Dominant? So then it would also have the allele for Normal. If this is true it would be 50% for Pastels and 50% for Bees. At least I think..

Because the spider is dominant.. But I'm pretty sure you won't get anything other than bees, spiders, pastels, and normals.

Edit: Also, the Pastel can only transfer one gene as well, either the Pastel allele or the Normal allele, which in this case would give chances for Normals as the normal allele is dominant.

[philippe]

yaa i know a breeder wouldnt do that its just it didnt look at all like any of the other pastels he was selling and i met the breeder a few weeks ago and when he looked at the snake he was shocked and said it might be a super pastel i will post a pic

im pretty sure super pastel + spider you will get some killer bees
thats what i dont understand lol


heres the pic look how white the head is i dont know its a close call

[m00kfu]

No, you can't get a killer bee by breeding a super pastel to a spider. You will however get all pastels and bumblebees. To get a killer bee you have to breed a bumble bee to another snake with the pastel gene.

[blackcrystal22]

yaa i know a breeder wouldnt do that its just it didnt look at all like any of the other pastels he was selling and i met the breeder a few weeks ago and when he looked at the snake he was shocked and said it might be a super pastel i will post a pic

im pretty sure super pastel + spider you will get some killer bees
thats what i dont understand lol


heres the pic look how white the head is i dont know its a close call

To get a killer bee you have to have a Pastel X Bumble Bee cross. I know that.

That does indeed look like a super. Hm.

[blackcrystal22]

No, you can't get a killer bee by breeding a super pastel to a spider. You will however get all pastels and bumblebees. To get a killer bee you have to breed a bumble bee to another snake with the pastel gene.

HA! I think I did it right! :]
Yay for genetics class!

[Peter Williams]

yaa i know a breeder wouldnt do that its just it didnt look at all like any of the other pastels he was selling and i met the breeder a few weeks ago and when he looked at the snake he was shocked and said it might be a super pastel i will post a pic

im pretty sure super pastel + spider you will get some killer bees
thats what i dont understand lol


heres the pic look how white the head is i dont know its a close call

I would say that is a super, that was sold to you as a regular pastel?

[philippe]

Wow i feel dumb
thanks guys im going to bed a little smarter tonight


P.S. what do you think super pastel?

[m00kfu]

HA! I think I did it right! :]
Yay for genetics class!

Haha, good job. Maybe it's just because I haven't taken any genetics classes beyond high-school biology, but it seems to confuse more people when it comes to ball python morphs than anything else. Is it just because the genetics behind them are so simple and the classes have to do with a more advanced aspect of it all?

[philippe]

ya it was sold to me as a regular pastel

I guess only time will tell when i breed him