shouldn't there be a governing body

[Mike Cavanaugh]

Well I do have to disagree with you there. I personally have seen how much weight a female BP can gain. My own WC girl came in at around 1370 on 6/9/07 grams, she refused to eat for 3 months.

When she began to eat on 9/1/08, she weighed 1280. She weighed in at 1800 in Feb.

She gained close to 600 grams in 5 months. I have to say it is very doable for his female to gain weight in time.

Just sayin!

Yeah, but how old was your girl? we are talking about a snake here that has taken 4 years to get to 900 grams! and it now refuses to eat!

[littleindiangirl]

Yeah, but how old was your girl? we are talking about a snake here that has taken 4 years to get to 900 grams! and it now refuses to eat!

No clue, she is WC. I guess her to be around 5-7 years of age just from her "look". My vet wasn't very sure either and concurred. Anyways, Randy's could just be a small specimen.

[JASBALLS]

Yeah, but how old was your girl? we are talking about a snake here that has taken 4 years to get to 900 grams! and it now refuses to eat!

I keep my breeder males as close to 1000g as possible. They are all very healthy.

[Mike Cavanaugh]

Well, this is my last reply on this one.

Randy, I am sorry. You have tought me something. In a situation like this going forward, I will either pm a mod, or pm the seller directly.

I am sure you will sell your snakes soon. they are very beautiful!

Peace out!

[Petboy15]

and if it has taken 4 years to get to 900 grams, and it hasn't eaten in 7 months... The likelyhood of it being ready to breed this next season is piss poor. Don't sugest otherwise! people will believe you!

I got her at a little under 1,000 grams. Keep in mind Ralph feeds his snakes somewhat conservatively, he is in no rush to breed 2-3 year old girls. Most of the girls in his vids are 8 or 10 yrs old. Take into account a 7 month fast and you are at 913 grams. When she starts eating (and at some point she will, snakes don't starve themselves), she would more than likely gain weight back quickly since she would use most of the food to build fat instead of just passing it as waste. Very possible to gain 500+ grams by October or whenever.

As for her not being black back, IMO she is. Apparently a lot of people agree with me. If you don't agree with me then that is fine, but no need to turn it into such a big deal.

And thanks Jas, Deb, and everyone else. It's nice to know you guys have my back.

Thanks for the apology. I accept and to be honest this little skirmish generated more interest in the ad than would have have happened otherwise

[stangs13]

You consider this a black back???!!!!



If so, I have some fantastic beach front property in Missouri I would love you to take a look at. It is a steal!

LOL, just kidding Joe... I can only assume we were not talking about the same thread.

Mike

I think it resembles the examples of a black back...

[Mike Cavanaugh]

Thanks for the apology. I accept and to be honest this little skirmish generated more interest in the ad than would have have happened otherwise

LOL! Don't tell them our plan!!!

[joepythons]

Fine I am calm. My sincerest appologies Randy. I should have shot you a pm with my concerns.


They are beautiful snakes. All ball pythons are beautiful!!!! Its still not a black back! and if it has taken 4 years to get to 900 grams, and it hasn't eaten in 7 months... the likelyhood of it being ready to breed this next season is piss poor. Don't sugest otherwise! people will believe you!

Why are you apologizing then slamming him .If you dont think the snake looks like a BB then fine its YOUR opinion .Now back to the REAL reasons we come here

[rabernet]

Ok, call it a black back. Its not, but go ahead.

I think it's funny you wouldn't call it one, but Ralph did when he sold it to Randy and Kara would.

If that snake was in my collection I'd note it as a blackback or partial blackback...it has been used as a descriptive term for ball pythons for years, and most folks can recognize it.

[frankykeno]

Ok, call it a black back. Its not, but go ahead.

Why does nobody have a problem with the description? It is a 2004 that weighs only 900 grams. It hasn't eaten in just under 7 months. He states multiple times that it should be ready to breed this next season... and that is the reason to buy it.

Do you think this is designed to get someone who knows what there doing interested? Or do you think it is trying to lure in a new bee without a clue that wants to breed balls and get rich?

I am sorry I did not contact this seller to start with. keep in mind, this thread was about general concerns... not just this very misleading thread.

Mike, sorry but you cannot one on hand say it's not about one thread when you quite obviously did not show another example of a problem you see in the way our sales section works and where you use terms like "this very misleading thread" and "Ok, call it a black back. Its not, but go ahead."

You may not consider it a blackblack or a very good example of one but that is your opinion. You've stated as fact what is really only an opinion. That opinion is countered by the opinions of at least two major BP breeders.

You've made it seem that Randy has knowingly mislead other members in his ad. That's a pretty serious thing to accuse another member of. If it were a concern expressed in a general manner, but Mike you've literally picked his ad apart, challenged him on a number of issues on this snake and not given even one other example of another ad that bothers you. Quite honestly if you did that to anyone else here you probably aren't going to get the very balanced response you got from Randy.

If you had a concern, it should have been expressed to Randy. This sort of public ripping into someone about the snakes they sell is exactly why the sales threads are locked and questions about the sale, the snake in question, etc. are expected to be handled between the parties in a professional manner.