What's the difference?

[bait4snake]

I know every single ball python morph and what you get when you cross different ones... yet I haven't got a clue what the difference is between blood pythons and short tailed pythons. Is it just locality?

[Patrick Long]

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/blood_borneo.html

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/blood_red.html


That should clear up some things for you

[bait4snake]

Didn't even make a dent in the differences. Is a Borneo Short Tailed Python and a Borneo Blood Python the same thing?

What about the Sumatran? Is it considered a Blood Python or a Short Tailed Python? What about the Black Bloods? Or is it Black Short Tailed?

[Patrick Long]

Borneo Short Tailed Pyhon Sometimes called "Borneo bloods,"

And the Black Blood is the Sumatran Short Tail

Its all confusing to me! But I think thats right! At least according to NERDs site it is lol

[West Coast Jungle]

I am by no means any expert on bloods but I did read a great article in reptile mag a few months back that Tracy Barker did and if I remember correctly they were very island/location specific. Great article to read, almost made me want to get one.

[littleindiangirl]

Python Brongersmai is a different species than Python Breiteinsteini and Python Curtus. They all used to be subspecies of the python curtus, but through works by several scientists including Barker, they were elevated to full species status.

The difference is mainly the scales on the upper labial and the size and placement of the scales surrounding the eyes and on top of the head.

Brongersmai is the Blood Python. They reside in malaysia, sumatra, bangka etc (I'm not very well versed on the brongersmai localities) They are the largest species and the main difference is in that they are the only species to display those red colors we all love.

Breiteinsteini is the Borneo Short tail. They live on predominantly the island of Borneo, and maybe a few surrounding islands. They are closer in relations to the sumatran short tail.

Curtus is the Sumatran python, often called the black blood. It is the smallest of the three and comes in two head colors. Yellow (light) and black (dark) I believe this is mainly due to locality again. The yellows get dark, a nice chocolate color and their pattern is visible even when adult size. The black heads will turn extremely dark and are often monochromatic. Their pattern is almost non existant when full grown.

I believe this link from Rich Crowley will help you much, he has a copy of the paper I mentioned before by Keogh, Shine and Barker to help elevate these to full species level.

http://www.richcrowleyreptiles.com/u...yexploited.pdf

[bait4snake]

So do Brongersmai, Breiteinsteini, and Curtus exist on the same islands? I've seen Borneo Blood Pythons and Borneo Short Tailed Pythons advertised before. I've also seen Red Bloods and Black Bloods advertised from Sumatra. So this is why I'm confused.

And I'm sure they've been crossed at one point so who knows what you're getting.

[littleindiangirl]

So do Brongersmai, Breiteinsteini, and Curtus exist on the same islands? I've seen Borneo Blood Pythons and Borneo Short Tailed Pythons advertised before. I've also seen Red Bloods and Black Bloods advertised from Sumatra. So this is why I'm confused.

And I'm sure they've been crossed at one point so who knows what you're getting.

It's true there are animals running around that are hybrids, and it's not really favored because you have no idea what your working with because the differences are so subtle.

There are some people that are really stingy about the localities. Red bloods and Sumatran short tails can both be from Sumatra. I'm not sure about the Red bloods also inhabiting Borneo.

I'm not very good with localities and such, perhaps Kara will chime in on that one. If you were to go to bloodpythons.com/forums, I know the guys and gals over there know waaaay more than I do on those specifics.

[Earl]

Awesome info Connie!

[Schlyne]

Python Brongersmai is a different species than Python Breiteinsteini and Python Curtus. They all used to be subspecies of the python curtus, but through works by several scientists including Barker, they were elevated to full species status.

The difference is mainly the scales on the upper labial and the size and placement of the scales surrounding the eyes and on top of the head.

Brongersmai is the Blood Python. They reside in malaysia, sumatra, bangka etc (I'm not very well versed on the brongersmai localities) They are the largest species and the main difference is in that they are the only species to display those red colors we all love.

Breiteinsteini is the Borneo Short tail. They live on predominantly the island of Borneo, and maybe a few surrounding islands. They are closer in relations to the sumatran short tail.

Curtus is the Sumatran python, often called the black blood. It is the smallest of the three and comes in two head colors. Yellow (light) and black (dark) I believe this is mainly due to locality again. The yellows get dark, a nice chocolate color and their pattern is visible even when adult size. The black heads will turn extremely dark and are often monochromatic. Their pattern is almost non existant when full grown.

I believe this link from Rich Crowley will help you much, he has a copy of the paper I mentioned before by Keogh, Shine and Barker to help elevate these to full species level.

http://www.richcrowleyreptiles.com/u...yexploited.pdf

Sarawak short tails are a locality specific version of Python breiteinsteini, very few people in the industry have them.