Compatibility..?

[BulldogBalls]

Hey all. For the most part I understand the genetics of BP morphs. What combined with what makes what and codom and recessive and het etc it is all easy as pie thanks to my experience breeding other species and dabbling in equine and canine genetics.

My question is in regards to compatibility. I think I understand, just curious to see an actual list of what is not compatible.

So.. What lines are not compatible with one another?

[LadyOhh]

Depends on the morph...


Axanthics - SK and VPI are not compatible. Joliff I'm not sure, but as I understand it, not compatible either.

Ghosts- Orange, Yellow, Butterscotch and Citrus all compatible. Other lines are questionable (Green, Blue, etc... (Up for debate)

[BulldogBalls]

LadyOhh.. thanks, I was wondering about the ghosts/hypos.

Are any of the pastels not compatible with eachother? or I'm thinking the different lines are just different color expressions of the same gene?

To add, I know that the albino lines such as the lavender vs the caramel and the regular are all different genes. I'm mostly thinking of the color variations I see in animals with the same 'title.' I do understand that color varies naturally, some animals just have brighter or darker or more orange etc etc color than others with the same genes. I'm trying to figure out what is the color variation vs what is a separate gene.

[Gary Orner]

Depends on the morph...


Axanthics - SK and VPI are not compatible. Joliff I'm not sure, but as I understand it, not compatible either.

Ghosts- Orange, Yellow, Butterscotch and Citrus all compatible. Other lines are questionable (Green, Blue, etc... (Up for debate)

I am not sure that the citrus and the rest mix well. i could be wrong but I think citrus is an oddball out too.

[Gib]

Yeah Garys right Citrus and the yellow dont mix with the others...the orange and green lines are actually the exact same line,NERD just did some selective breeding for color...

and none of the main axanthic lines are compatible either VPI,SK or Joliff

[LadyOhh]

OKAY:

To outline again then:

Orange, Yellow, Butterscotch = Compatible

Blue, Green, Citrus = Not (?)


I was under the impression that someone had proved out some of these lines to be compatible....

I'm not up on the Ghost thing.

[Gib]

LOL no prob heather...to many freakin lines out there and everyone calls em all one or the other no matter what they really might be which makes it even more confusing..

yellow and citrus not compatible with anything...

BLue...dont even know what that is

And orange and green are the exact same line...orange is just a bred for color green ghost and that is compatible with butterscotch or atleast that what everyone says

[BulldogBalls]

Here is a link showing a blue ghost/hypo: http://www.grazianireptiles.com/coll...lanistic-2.jpg

I have seen yellows refered to as butterscotch and visa versa, and the Graziani website says: "Here at Graziani Reptiles, we have proven several different Hypo mutations to be compatible and they are as follows: Blue Ghost, Green Ghost, Yellow/Butterscotch ghost and orange ghost."

This is where I get confused as everyone has a different name for different color variations and I can't tell which are different genes or just different color mutations of the same gene.

What about the pastels? Lemon vs jungle vs mandarin vs .. ?
I'm thinking they are all the same gene just different color expression, and thus compatible.

[Gib]

thats the problem Bulldog everyone calls everything the same thing without knowing exactly which line it is...

Way back in the day there were 3 lines...and there still basically are there was Gregs F1 line that was referred to as the yellow ghosts,Mark Bells line which was the butterscotch ghosts which over time has been called yellow and NERDs Green ghost line which is the same as the orange ghost which seems to be the choice of almost everyone out there to call there ghost wether it actually is or not..

The Bell line and NERDs line are compatible,but they arent compatible with grazianis line and the citrus is something pretty new and isnt compatible with the other 3 lines

Now as far as the Blue goes...that just looks like a butterscotch jsut a lil on the dark side is all

another Big problem comes with compatiblilty issues is that EVERY freaking new hypo that gets imported gets sold as an Orange ghost,and there is no way of knowing wether or not those are going to be compatible with any of the other lines without breeding to see...But as long you stay with one of the lines that you know is compatible there really isnt much of a problem

[BulldogBalls]

Equine genetics are so much easier to understand. This is like the brindle color variations in dogs and the issues with white patterning names i.e. irish, bodysuit, mantle etc.

I like ghosts, love the combos they produce. One of my favorite morphs is the honeybee (I'm a huge spider fan..)

I just love to learn, especially about genetics. Around here I'm not wierd, but around family I'm considered