Some people shouldn't own snakes...

[Gary Orner]

He as a person wasnt called an idiot! Reread the thread..

I will just simply quote what I see has attacks on someone when the person doing the posting knew nothing other then what media wanted them too.

It seems like he's trying to get a lifetime achievement award from the Darwin Awards

This not so bad but still a person that does not know Ray making a comment that is attacking. This is putting Ray down.

Or say, "I think it's about time I learn WTF I'm doing". He got bit on the hand while cleaning the cage?! How do people like this get permits to work with hots?

This quote says hey Ray does not know what he is doing. How did he get his permit. Sorry But again a person that does not know things about it making a judgment

You'd think they'd revoke his permit after say... 5 bites... Let alone 44...

This one not an attack. Just saying hey they should revoke it. Ray has done a lot for Florida hot keeping.

I heard on another forum that he injects himself with cobra venom

Ray does but still this is one of them things I heard this and this. Ray has and I believe still does but more then just cobras.

he's either an idiot with a death wish....or an idiot with an immortality complex

Looks to me as he is either being called an idiot or he has a death wish. Or both.

but the common sense seems to be lacking for him

This is antoher put down.

He should act like an adult, and not put himself in danger so recklessly. Just my opinion

Another comment basicly saying he is not acting liek an adult. and another comment about how he got bit.

My point being is look how many jumped the gun here. Without knowing anything other then what media wanted them too. I am sure if I was to say these comments to a long standing memebr here I would be told to COOL IT. Right? I know so becuase I seen it right away the first day I was here. And I thought it was very cool to see that.

But oh well.

[Gary Orner]

Let me state again. I do not want to bash any one person. My point was that judgement was made before anyone knew anything.

They see what the media wants them too and then some people just go off. If that happens all the time this hobby would have been dead a long time ago.

First thing Ray said to his friends were he did not know if he could go back on forums as he knows about the bite hate. Basicly people slamming him left and right not knowing what trully happened.

He almost died. This was his worst bite he has had. But around the net All I seen was slamming him. Maybe I am a bit on the defensive side about this as he is a friend.

But again my main point was posts being made. Negitive(sp) posts at that without knowing what was going on.

[JASBALLS]

I will just simply quote what I see has attacks on someone when the person doing the posting knew nothing other then what media wanted them too.


This not so bad but still a person that does not know Ray making a comment that is attacking. This is putting Ray down.



This quote says hey Ray does not know what he is doing. How did he get his permit. Sorry But again a person that does not know things about it making a judgment



This one not an attack. Just saying hey they should revoke it. Ray has done a lot for Florida hot keeping.



Ray does but still this is one of them things I heard this and this. Ray has and I believe still does but more then just cobras.



Looks to me as he is either being called an idiot or he has a death wish. Or both.



This is antoher put down.



Another comment basicly saying he is not acting liek an adult. and another comment about how he got bit.

My point being is look how many jumped the gun here. Without knowing anything other then what media wanted them too. I am sure if I was to say these comments to a long standing memebr here I would be told to COOL IT. Right? I know so becuase I seen it right away the first day I was here. And I thought it was very cool to see that.

But oh well.

Well I dont know You or Ray.. Idiots or not, Dont blame this whole forum for something 1-2 people say.. That is IDIOTIC!

IMHO..

[Gary Orner]

I was not really blaming the whole forum. There are great people here but as you see some of them quotes came from super mods and Admin.

Not saying they are bad people. I really think they are good people. Just made some judgements before getting the facts. That is why I made my posts. The admin and mod team were posting it.

[hoax]

This is from Ray's web site. I do not know him at all. I have never even heard of him. If you think about it how many times have you guys been bit by BPs. Now how many times have breeders been bit?
I know that BPs and snakes that kill are different but still I hope people see my point about the situation. I know it is not apples and apples but every now and the an orange makes the point.

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Notice where he says the CORRECT way to handle snakes. He is not condoning what he does and even states that it is the incorrect way to handle snakes.

[norm]

Ray is not an idiot, he's also not a good example of what YOU should do if you keep hots. He does things a certain way because that's how he's always done it. Long before any of us were probably even around.

Also, he is "somewhat" immune to the cobra venom now. While it is still dangerous, it's not as dangerous as it would be for you or I.

It's not possible to get bit 44 times and live if you don't have some type of immunity. He is an expert on cobra venom and has probably saved hundreds of lives with the work he does on antivenin.

So, should he own venomous snakes? I'm grateful he does.

[redpython]

there was in an interview w/ him on reptile radio, he seems like quite the character.

although i think it is moronic to have the "do as i say, not as i do" attitude that he seems to have.

[jparker1167]

ray is a good guy, he he has 44 bites but he also does venom production and milks alot of snakes, or use to not sure if he still does it. when you milk hundreds of snakes you are going to slip now and then. i see tons of people saying ray is not a good example but no one says that about bill haast and i believe bill was rays mentor not 100% sure tho.

ray would never tell anyone to free handle like him but hes not one to bash anyone for making a mistake. dont judge people before you get the facts stright.