Lock them up..

[JASBALLS]

Josh, what experience do you have breeding to make such a strong statement? Have you listened to the reptile radio shows lately? I'm certain you don't have the years of experience that Jas has. Jas, have you had a young male die on you?

Robin, I have lost one young male (200g) after breeding him 2 times to his mother!

He now lives in Georgia!!

BTW. I'm all about the MONEY! LMAO.... Please!!!!!

[rabernet]

Robin, I have lost one young male (200g) after breeding him 2 times to his mother!

He now lives in Georgia!!

BTW. I'm all about the MONEY! LMAO.... Please!!!!!

He does? Oh yeahhhhh - that would be Murphy!

I know - it was practically highway robbery!

[JoshJP7]

What was "such a strong statement?"... Speaking why I felt some breeders breed babies at a young age? Your right I have no experience in breeding and I have listened to reptile radio. Just because he hasnt had one die on him doesnt mean theres not a risk... Just like theirs a risk that if jen breeds her snake too soon without long enough quarantine she could get sick BPs... To me its just very hypocritical to say its OK to take the risk here... but its no OK to take it there... Its just my opinion and im sure to all you it means nothing so whats the big deal? Jen asked why breeders do it and I offered a very plausable statement why some breeders do it. I never stated that this is why Jas did it... just throwing the idea out there.

Jas you laugh and say "im all about the money" but what other reasons would make you want to take the risk? If your saying it has no effect on your business or whatever why not be on the safe side and wait a year to breed the males? I dont have a problem with you breeding them early and like you said if it works then it works... After reading many care sheets on BP breeding, they all seem to offer that males need to be atleast 1 yr old... So JAS is a pioneer for straying from the norm and coming up with new methods to breeding... but im the bad guy when I stray from the norm and offer advice to use larger tubs? I guess I just dont see the difference.

[rabernet]

What was "such a strong statement?"... Speaking why I felt some breeders breed babies at a young age? Your right I have no experience in breeding and I have listened to reptile radio. Just because he hasnt had one die on him doesnt mean theres not a risk... Just like theirs a risk that if jen breeds her snake too soon without long enough quarantine she could get sick BPs... To me its just very hypocritical to say its OK to take the risk here... but its no OK to take it there... Its just my opinion and im sure to all you it means nothing so whats the big deal? Jen asked why breeders do it and I offered a very plausable statement why some breeders do it. I never stated that this is why Jas did it... just throwing the idea out there.

Jas you laugh and say "im all about the money" but what other reasons would make you want to take the risk? If your saying it has no effect on your business or whatever why not be on the safe side and wait a year to breed the males? I dont have a problem with you breeding them early and like you said if it works then it works... After reading many care sheets on BP breeding, they all seem to offer that males need to be atleast 1 yr old... So JAS is a pioneer for straying from the norm and coming up with new methods to breeding... but im the bad guy when I stray from the norm and offer advice to use larger tubs? I guess I just dont see the difference.

Josh, no one has called you a "bad guy" in any disagreements with you. You however have lowered yourself to calling people who disagree with you ignorant - staff members no less, and in this thread, you've called John sketchy.

I haven't seen a post yet where anyone said you were a bad guy for using a larger tub. You just don't like being disagreed with, and you get all hot under the collar about it.

If you want to know the difference in the respect level between you and John? Experience and earned credibility.

As for John's motives being money driven as you suggest, what's his website address showing his available animals, because I can't find it. How many ads have you ever seen placed by John selling his animals? I personally have only seen a handful of ads from John in the past year.

John holds onto far more animals than he sells, and until you sit down and pick up the phone and call John and talk with him, don't presume to know his motives.

[JoshJP7]

Robin I clearly stated that I wasnt saying this is why Jas does it... I was just throwing out a very plausable explanation why it would be in the breeders benefit to breed males young. I didnt call John sketchy personally, I was making a general statement that its sketchy for someone to say its OK to take a risk here but not Ok to take one there...

John If i offended your in any way I appologize... It wasnt my intentions... As Robin said I dont know your motives for doing so and would like clarification if you dont mind... If you dont want to share them thats cool to.


As far as me being the "bad guy"... you dont come right out and say it but its sure beaten around the bush. More clarification... ignorance simply means uneducated... In the other post people agreed that they didnt have the experience with larger tubs so they pretty much openly agreed to being ignorant in that area... Its not a slap in the face... Im ignorant with keeping snakes in smaller tubs.

[BT41042]

Glad you guys are listening to the show...I'll be honest here - What's wrong with making money on doing what you enjoy? I breed and have bred plenty of young males...IMO - There is no risk if you pay attention to what your doing...I'll even go out on a limb here and say - Get your nose out of the books and get in your snake room - Watch what's going on and learn...If you really believe people are waiting until males are 1 year - 18 months old to start breeding you are blind...Nothing personnel - Just reality...Like I always say - Do what works for you...
BT

[JoshJP7]

I personally could care less if people use young breeders as a method to get ahead business wise... Its a great business move and helps make new morphs available sooner... I plan on doing the same in the near future... With that said there is a risk that a male could get sick due to his young age and lack of immune system just like jens snake could get her other snakes sick for not quarantine long enough... My issue is when someone says its OK to take the risk with the young males... but jens wrong for taking the risk with her new snake... Either way its not that big of a deal. Im sure everyones males will be healthy and so will jens breeder.

[Brimstone111888]

On the flip side, if any of Jen's snakes happen to get sick for any reason, it will pretty much kill her business before it even becomes one.

As long as all risks are are recognized. Good luck.

[BT41042]

You lost me there - "My issue is when someone says its OK to take the risk with the young males" but you said - "I plan on doing the same in the near future"...Risk of getting sick due to his young age and lack of immune system? That's a new for me...LOL...Well - I guess you have an issue with me then because I said and I'll say it again - There is nothing wrong with breeding young males if you know what your doing...Just curious - How many clutches have you produced? How many young males have you bred? Sorry Jen for hi jacking your thread -
BT

[Bright202]

May I be the first to say good luck with everything, and I hope you get some wicked hatchings. Congrats Jen, can't wait to see the outcome!