Woma x Pastel?

[Bright202]

Hey, If I bred a woma and a pastel together, would I still get bees? Sorry I'm a little new to morphs and breeding.
Thanks

Mitch

[WingedWolfPsion]

No, a bumblebee is a pastel X spider.
A wanna bee is a pastel X woma X spider

Anything combined with spider seems to be getting the 'bee' name.

A Woma X Pastel has been produced by NERD (actually Woma X Lemon Pastel): http://www.newenglandreptile.com/ner...d=80&Itemid=58

It has no other name as of yet.

[FIREball]

So you could get a wannabee by breeding a woma pastel to a spider or a bumblebee to a woma?

[WingedWolfPsion]

Sure.
(Odds of all 3 traits appearing in one snake in a clutch of 6? Hard to calculate. Each trait, spider, pastel, and woma, would have a 50% chance of appearing in any given hatchling).
You could get...
womas
pastels
spiders
normals
bumblebees
woma/pastels
spider/womas

and if you were REALLY REALLY lucky...a wanna-bee. lol

[zx92027xz]

this may sound kind of lame and off the wall....

but i really like those because they looks like JCPs...

the pattern. not so much the color.

and it may just be me that sees the resemblance.

[RandyRemington]

The odds of each mutation getting passed on with either of those pairings should be 50% with a combined chance of 1 in 8 if none of the mutations are linked by being close together on the same chromosome or alleles. So the chances of getting at least 1 in a 6 egg clutch would be about 55%.

We know spider and pastel aren't alleles because of the killer bee, also those being produced fairly regularly would seem to indicate spider and pastel aren't closely linked.

Has a super pastel woma been produced yet?

Does a spider woma X normal produce any normals?

Those would help us to know if woma is linked or alleles with either spider or pastel.

[Kara]

Has a super pastel woma been produced yet?

Yes!

[RandyRemington]

Thanks! That proves that pastel and woma aren't alleles and probably that they aren't linked either for that to be produced already.

I still don't know if a link has been proven or disproved between woma and spider so that could still throw off the project trying to make a wanabee from spider woma X pastel. For example, if spider and woma where alleles you could still possible produce a spider woma but even breeding it to a super pastel would not get you any wanabees because the spider woma couldn't pass on two copies of the same gene (IF spider and woma are alleles – different mutations of the same gene).

Similarly, if spider and woma happened to be mutations of different genes but close together on the same chromosome it might be possible but unlikely for a spider woma to pass both mutations on to the same offspring also making the wanabee harder than 1 in 8 from spider woma X pastel but still 1 in 8 from like pastel woma X spider or woma X bumblebee.

Chances are that spider and woma aren't linked in any way but without breeding results from spider woma or wanabee we can't know for sure. Your surest bet if staring a wanabee project today might be bumblebee X woma to avoid the unknown spider woma combo on the same side of the breeders.

Have any spider womas or wanabees grown up and bred yet?

[morti]

Have any spider womas or wanabees grown up and bred yet?

Oh yes.



This pic was taken in 2003.

My darling wife LdyDrgn (the one on the left) has a double-handfull of wannabees.