Is my Female pastel expecting?

[MD_Pythons]

What seems silly to me is the lack of faith todays basic community has in someone. Im well aware of the market for pastels and regulars. And i have a rack to keep every single one of them in. As well as an experienced breeder who wants half the clutch..a couple i am keeping. Thanks for the tips. I think i can handle it. Hope is all we have these days..and some people cant live with the idea of someone a little less experienced then them can handle such a task at hand. I got this. Delete this. Ban me. Idc. I simply came here for advice and to be a part of a snake community. Thats obv not the case here.

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If you were well aware of the market for normals and pastels then why breed them? How much research have you done? You moving the snake to feed shows that you should probably wait to learn and get more experience before taking on something as big as breeding.

[dakski]

Oh boy, over reacting much??? I see people like you every year, own 1 or two snakes for less than a year, want to breed or end up with eggs not being prepared, are in over their head, and less than 5 years later sell everything.

You do not want advice that may spare you from making a mistake or two and make this an enjoyable experience rather than one where you struggle, fine enjoy you won't be the first putting the carriage before the horses.

5 years! That's forever for someone unhappy with reptiles!

I try to gently pace people. However, it's not my say, and I know it. It's also not about me and I need to pace myself and not take it personally when people don't want to listen.

However, so many people get turned off by proper advice, or do not ask for it, and end up with an unhappy, or worse, sick or dead animal, and then hate the hobby.

I know, I learned the hard way as a kid. I lost an iguana not knowing about calcium deficiency. This was pre-internet and I was 10 years old (1990). My parents figured it would fine to let me get pets if I wanted them, but I didn't know how to properly care for them and my parent's didn't bother learning either.

After that horrific experience, with a young iguana dying in my arms, I vowed to learn proper husbandry etc. and never let that happen again. I was an adult before I attempted keeping reptiles again, and, I had the internet and forums like this, on my side.

I have made a point of pacing myself, only getting what I can take care of, and making sure all my animals (canine and reptilian) are properly cared for. I also have to ensure that my job, friends, and fiancé, do not suffer either. I could care for more animals, but at what expense?

Even for me, it's hard to hear if I am doing something wrong, but I am always learning. It is clear that most users have my, and my pets, best interests at heart on this site.

Still, sometimes the desire to acquire, and/or pride, outweighs the desire, or more often, the ability, to do good by the animal(s). It's human nature, but it's also so sad to see people burn out and leave the hobby.

Deborah, you do your best, all the moderators and most of the users (frequent posters for sure), do the same.

That's all we can do. Oh, and share our frustration. We can also help the people who want it and want what's best for their animals. Those people have the potential to be reptile keepers for life/a long time.

I think some people who have just joined, or start posting, etc. do not realize that we have a small community of active users. We try to help and be there for each other, and for them. Many may not mean to step on toes, but from where I sit, when someone attacks a moderator, or a fellow community member/user, I get frustrated.

Not sure if this is even the right place to put all this, but it seemed relevant.

Thank you to all/any who read this.

[Babygecko]

K. Im just gonna leave you guys here talking about how unexperienced i am based on questions i ask . You ever wonder why you guys are such a small community??

Because your set in your ways, and not willing to accept the fact that people are different! They do things differently.

For those of you who were nice and PMd me with KIND NON JUDGING or SHAMING manor THANK YOU


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[zina10]

You need hapiness in your life

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Really, that is all you've got to say ?

Perhaps the advice you have gotten was point blank and NOT what you wanted to hear. But it was the right advice.
In turn you get offended, over react and finally downright rude.

The sad truth is that every one of those hatchlings is going to COST you money. You will not even get your investment back. Normals are hardly selling. You say your "breeder" friend will take some. The one with the "busy" store ? He will take some because he can sell them through the store. Which is hardly the place you want your babies to end up at. And most potential new owners that do the least amount of research are not going to go to a store to buy a overpriced "normal" BP from questionable sources when they can buy one from a reputable breeder for $25 or less.

No experienced breeder will take "normals" from some newbie that just so happened to have a clutch. For one, they probably can't use any normals and if they needed some, they'd have plenty of their own. No need to bring outside ones in, that may carry diseases, mites, etc. Many normal hatchlings end up as kingsnake food. Or food for other snake eating species.

Even if you GIVE them away (which is not as easy as you may think) they may very well end up passed along several times and dead before a year old. Let me tell you, if you manage to get everything to work out, hatchlings are a LOT of work. Getting them to eat is not as easy as you may think. You may very well waste several rodents per hatchling. Rodents, that cost quite a bit, unless you breed them yourself. After all that work and trouble you WILL be attached. To attached to hand them over to a crappy start at a petstore. Or to anybody that just saw "free" snake. However...what are YOU going to do with possibly 10+ BP's if you decide to keep them ? Most of them "normals" ? Esp. since you said you eventually wanted to get into breeding. Well, where are all those BP's going to end up? In your breeding program? I think normals are lovely, many people do, but it doesn't change the reality there is basically NO market left for them. You will not be able to use them "if" breeding is your ultimate goal. So why set them up for failure, or yourself?

Esp. since you have SO much yet to learn. We see 2 snakes that were obviously kept the wrong way. Yes, they are big and look healthy. So, they survived DESPITE the less then perfect care, NOT because of it.

You took them and put them in a radically different environment. While they are in the same cage, the cage is now subject to completely different temperatures and humidty. Despite all that, you already fed your female, a much to large meal I may say so. Those 2 medium rats are now sitting in that females gut, beginning to rott without the correct heat (as you said, heat and controllers were still "on their way") If you are lucky she will survive this. If not, you will have some huge problems very soon.

So when we see things like that, we see someone that needs a lot of help still to get the very basics right. And there is always help here. But it is obvious to most that you should not be concentrating on that clutch, but on those adults. Learn how to set them up properly and get that done. Meanwhile learn all you can, take SOME TIME to get it right. If you still want to breed later on, you will be better prepared. And not just by owning an incubator and rack and knowing someone that will take some babies. But also by knowing HOW to set up the adults, how to breed them correctly, how to set up hatchlings correctly, what to expect from a market and how to go about everything just right, incl. genetics, marketing, selling.

The reptile community is small, word goes around quick. If you ever plan on being known as a reputable breeder and seller, and I'm not saying a BIG breeder, or only investment animals, I'm saying a REPUTABLE one, then don't get a poor reputation before you even get started. Do right by THESE animals. And then go from there.

When it is about the well being of your animals (and the ones that would be produced) you will need to accept that people will not make your feelings their first priority. And you will need to learn to accept advice without getting defensive. We all are still learning.

Sorry for any grammer or spelling errors, english is my second language and I don't feel like proof reading right now

[zina10]

K. Im just gonna leave you guys here talking about how unexperienced i am based on questions i ask . You ever wonder why you guys are such a small community??

Because your set in your ways, and not willing to accept the fact that people are different! They do things differently.

For those of you who were nice and PMd me with KIND NON JUDGING or SHAMING manor THANK YOU


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Trust me, it was not just based on your questions.

Noone is "set in their ways". The animals welfare is the priority for people. There is a lot of accepting to do things differently. Like whether you set up in a cage or rack (as long as either is correct) etc. However, there is only so much "different" before its plain wrong, wrong as in "detrimental to health and well being".

You think "this" community is small ? Its been around since before facebook and has been invaluable to anyone wanting to learn and willing to learn.

However, there are many facebook communities you can try out, they will be quite different from here. You may like them better.

I wish you and your animals best of luck !

[Babygecko]

You guys ARE something else. leaving now

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[Kira]

You guys ARE something else. leaving now

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You asked for advice and you got it. It's your choice whether you take that advice or not- but don't let your snakes suffer because you don't want to admit that you're wrong.

[c0r3yr0s3]

english is my second language

Completely off topic but what is your first language? I need to know so when I read your posts i can narrate with the right accent

[zina10]

Completely off topic but what is your first language? I need to know so when I read your posts i can narrate with the right accent

German.

Now rooollll that "r" when you say it!

[Stewart_Reptiles]

German.

Now rooollll that "r" when you say it!

American people can't do that, but we European have mastered it