Plan to breed thoughts

[sneakysnake611]

Great link. Is it safe to assume butter x lesser has bug eyes? Is bug eyes very common or just rarely? I cant seem to find a percentage figure

[Eric Alan]

Great link. Is it safe to assume butter x lesser has bug eyes?

Thanks. Yes, it's safe to assume. The two morphs are arguably the same, so you'd get the same results.

Is bug eyes very common or just rarely? I cant seem to find a percentage figure

You're probably not going to find a percentage. Bug eyes aren't a guarantee, but they're common enough that I personally wouldn't do the pairing - especially when there are so many other ways to make a white snake.

[sneakysnake611]

When making a bel. Ive heard you can cross mojave, butter, lesser. In any way or form however when you add mojave you get a "dirty, bel. Not as pure white is this true?. Is their any other genes im missing to get bel?

[Eric Alan]

When making a bel. Ive heard you can cross mojave, butter, lesser. In any way or form however when you add mojave you get a "dirty, bel. Not as pure white is this true?.

Yes. Some end up with more white than others. Lesser/Butter x Mojave is probably the most common with good results. White Diamond (Russo x Russo - see the next link) is less common, but is a very clean white BEL from what I've seen.

Is their any other genes im missing to get bel?

There's a few more. Check out the left hand column on this page: http://www.owalreptiles.com/complexes.php.

[redshepherd]

About bug eyes- not sure if this applies every time, but my Lesser Butter's bug eyes have disappeared as he grew older. They were the most prominent as a hatchling and were still a bit noticeable maybe until 6 months old. Now that he's really full grown, they're all but gone.

Here he is as a hatchling:






And here he is now at ~13 months old. Unfortunately just an iphone photo, but you can see they're pretty normal looking. Or at least, if they're still not normal, I can't tell. He's also kind of pink, because he's going into shed.



Don't know if it would affect your decision, but that's how mine developed. I'm breeding for super butters/super lessers next spring.

Super russos/white diamonds commonly develop yellow tints and have a yellow dorsal stripe. I've heard super lessers/butters are technically the whitest- just the bug eye issue. Mine definitely is still white with no yellow. Some of the white diamond examples on WOBP have been edited so that there is less saturation on the snake's body. Lies LOL.

[Eric Alan]

...examples on WOBP have been edited so that there is less saturation on the snake's body. Lies LOL.

Who would do such a thing! Yes, WOBP is not without its opportunities.

[redshepherd]

Who would do such a thing! Yes, WOBP is not without its opportunities.

My trust is lost forever! LOL