Spider Ball Python Wobble?

[Seven-Thirty]

Maybe she has a woma?

[KingWheatley]

I'm guessing you bought it from pet smart? Just my thought since you said fancy. 90% of the time you will get screwed over from an animal purchase there. A fancy normal for $119 is ridiculous and I can't believe it was $200 where you live. I would be really mad also. When buying ball pythons research is crucial, not only husbandry but morphs as well bc of how many different ones there are and how many look pretty similar. I have came across really good deals on bps at pet smart though but that is bc they didn't know what morph it was so just labeled it as they pleased but I never bought one. They have a super pastel in the normal tank onsale for $30 right now at a store close to me that is so tempting but Idk yet since I already have a super pastel. I haven't bought a bp from them but if I did and wasn't sure what it was I would take pictures and post them here asking and would also be looking at pictures online, just some advice for next time. Idk if there's much you can do now. Just learn from it and move on. I was ripped off on my first snake from a breeder and it sucks but I gained a family member and addiction and I don't regret any bit of it. Buying from a reputable breeder online or local is your best bet next time unless you see something you really want and it happens to be a good price.

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I was trying to not name the store.... but.... yes...... It was Petsmart xD

[KingWheatley]

Right just like it can only eat fuzzy mice

Who are those official breeder that say it's a Spider can you please post the convo where they identify your snake.

You want proper identification it's easy post quality pictures, it's not that hard all you have to do his from the side and the top and turn the light on

But hey what do I know about BP morphs

Figure One: Snek Belly.... It was hard to photo. At this point he started squirming....



Figure Two: Full body under good light.



Here's a close up:

It looks far too similar to a spider, but the color resembles that of the phantom spider, which is why I made that assumption.


And finally... The photo that made Wheatley hate me because I put on the flash.....


The face markings is very suggestively spider morph.


And then considering the fact that he has a bit of a wobble, which is exclusive to spiders from what I understand.

[Jeanne]

Cool! Enjoy and good luck!!

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[Dave Green]

The face markings is very suggestively spider morph.


And then considering the fact that he has a bit of a wobble, which is exclusive to spiders from what I understand.

Look into Woma, not Hidden Gene Woma, just Woma.

Spider, Woma, Champagne and I'm sure others that I'm not thinking of can wobble.

[BPGator]

The wobble is not exclusively spiders. It can happen in Womas, which seven-thirty suggested as a possibility. Not sure if Wheatley is a Woma, but I'd call him that before I called him a Spider.


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[Stewart_Reptiles]

The face markings is very suggestively spider morph.

Nope

Still not a Spider and your convo does not show where it says the snake pictured is a Spider it says Spider falls in the Fancy category when it comes to pet store. Which is what you inquired about, so do many other things.

Again the head is not right, the sides are not right but you can call it a Spider or Phantom Spider whatever makes you happy,

BTW yes I actually know Brian and since you wanted to hear from an official breeder, because I know hearing from me that it's not a spider cannot possibly be true.



If you think I disagree for the sake of it, I don't I have been trying to put you in the right direction, which is why I ask for pictures to start with because I was suspicious and leaning toward very reduced to low quality woma.

If you want to get advice here you will have to have more faith in the people posting otherwise what's the point.

I have nothing to gain it's a spider or not.

[KingWheatley]

Still not a Spider and your convo does not show where it says the snake pictured is a Spider it says Spider falls in the Fancy category when it comes to pet store. Which is what you inquired about, so do many other things.

Again the head is not right, the sides are not right but you can call it a Spider or Phantom Spider whatever makes you happy,

BTW yes I actually know Brian and since you wanted to hear from an official breeder, because I know hearing from me that it's not a spider cannot possibly be true.


If you think I disagree for the sake of it, I don't I have been trying to put you in the right direction, which is why I ask for pictures to start with

Never heard of a woma.....

If that's the case... what's separating Woma from Spider...? They look alike to me, but that's probably because I'm not sure what to look for....


The black photo is a phantom spider... Which has that same faded back color that wheatley has.... And the head.... though Wheatley has a darker style at the top, looks exactly like this and not the White picture.....

They look exactly alike to me otherwise.... This is horribly frustrating....






Also it's when you say things like:

"But hey what do I know about BP morphs "
"because I know hearing from me that it's not a spider cannot possibly be true."



Regardless of if the case was true that you knew more than I did, I felt you were simply trying to spout nonsense in an attempt to discredit me and the research I did. Not only that, but publicly humiliate me for knowing less. It generally makes me believe that the person on the other side of the keyboard is thinking to do nothing more than to argue the opposite.

While the information you provided would have probably made me take a step back, your prior interactions with me made me believe that your intent was not to inform, but were in fact more cruel. Because of this, and because of the fact I had thought that the information I had was correct, it created an unnecessary conflict. So, I do apologize.

[KingWheatley]

Look into Woma, not Hidden Gene Woma, just Woma.

Spider, Woma, Champagne and I'm sure others that I'm not thinking of can wobble.

Hm... Did not know this....

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Apology accepted.

When I tell someone they don’t have something they think they have I just don’t do it to make them feel any specific way (same for any other advice) I do it to let them know there were mislead which is sad that people take advantage of new people in the hobby. I could have let the thread go in the direction it was going and not ask you for pictures and you would have never know until much later but I had suspicion from your avatar

Try not to read things that are not there in the future, my intent is to help and put you and your snake on the right track otherwise I would not be here, even if you don't listen to one advice on one thread I will still give advice in the next one to the best of my ability whether we have disagreed in the past or not because to me it's about the animal.

Now Spider and Woma vary in the following head markings, sides (spider have white side from low to high), woma are also much darker in color that’s for the basic single gene now when it comes to combos it’s day and night and there is no comparison.
One thing they do have in common is a certain degree of wobbling.

My advice have a talk with that store if there is some sort or receipt and guarantee.