super blackpastel/cinny, bel???

[FranklinMorphs]

Theoretically, just looking at the genetics, the Super Cinny Lesser is gray because it does not have the homozygous leucistic genes, just a heterozygous form. A homozygous leucistic is incapable of having color or pattern.

Also fire is mentioned as a leucistic gene, and it is not. It does not create BELs when mixed with the common leucistic genes and does not create a 100% white snake in it's own homozygous form.

[BigJay]

Fire is a leucistic gene, it is how you make a BLACK eyed luecistic, there is BLUE eyed luecistic group, and the BLACK eyed luecistic group. NO they are not "compatible" between the 2 groups. You can have a a pair of Fire Mojaves / Fire Lessers and can make both blue and black eyed luecistic. As far as the original post, I believe luecistic is stronger than any other gene set and will mask nearly any other genetics at play

[FranklinMorphs]

Fire is a leucistic gene, it is how you make a BLACK eyed luecistic, there is BLUE eyed luecistic group, and the BLACK eyed luecistic group. NO they are not "compatible" between the 2 groups. You can have a a pair of Fire Mojaves / Fire Lessers and can make both blue and black eyed luecistic. As far as the original post, I believe luecistic is stronger than any other gene set and will mask nearly any other genetics at play

The super fire may be called the black eyed leucistic by many in this hobby, but by definition, it is not genetically a leucistic gene from all evidence I've seen. We could only say for sure if we had a normal, a fire and a super fire all genetically mapped. But they have significantly too much color and patterning typically to be a true leucistic gene. To be Leucistic by definition it must be non-melanoid, non-albino and non-axanthic. The presence of coloration along the back in many if not the majority of super fires therefore means it's technically a piebald type gene, where sections of coloration are completely stripped, and the sections remaining have the fire coloration. And no, I'm not suggesting fire is a compatible gene with the morph we know as Piebald or pied, it is clearly on a separate allele, but they both can create a genetic piebald effect in homozygous form.

[paulh]

FYI, an allele is defined as "One of the alternative versions of a gene at a given location (locus) along a chromosome." (http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/glossary=allele) In other words, alleles are compatible genes.

IMO, as fire, piebald, and lesser are not alleles, calling fire a piebald type gene is no more helpful than calling it a leucistic type gene.

[StillBP]

. A homozygous leucistic is incapable of having color or pattern.

Not totaly true tho as leucistic still have patterns, you just only can see them under black light. I pesonaly think that it would be a off white snake more muddy than the super mojave no where near as bright as the mojavexlesser but that is just my opinion and worth alot less than fact

[aLittleLessButter]

Some bel combos don't even need a black light. You can see the pattern on a super bamboo

[OhhWatALoser]

You guys are arguing what the hobby calls Leucistic vs what science calls Leucistic. Completely different things.