Is it just me or are my pastels kind of odd?

[Missina]

This might just be me, but my pastel balls are starting to look kind of odd. I purchased a male pastel 100% het pied last year and paired him to a normal looking 100% het pied female. did not make the odds and got 4 perfect little pastel babies (but not pieds like I had hoped for). The father of these babies has very high white sides. I asked the breeder about this after I purchased him and they were really of no help, simply told me that they had purchased him from "another breeder" and they bred him once and got some nice pastels and stuff from him. they never even told me if the female they had bred him to was het for pied or not. they did show me photos of those first babies but I don't have a copy of it any more. At any rate, the reason I am posting this is because the babies I have are now into their 2nd shed and they are really starting to look a LOT like their dad. so I just want to know if this is normal for pastels or if maybe my male is caring something secret.
Here is the father, his name is Flick

Here are photos of 3 of his offspring from today:




this last baby is about to go into shed and her sister is in shed right now.
So what do you guys think? Am I seeing something more than what is there? I'm much better with betta splenden genetics and colors than ball pythons. this is my 1st clutch ever and I plan on breeding this male again this upcoming season, but 2 females this time. I really just want a pied lol.


Thanks,

Missina

[frostysBP]

Look like normal pastels to me..

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[Asherah]

Reminds me a bit of my het pied pastel male. Mine has almost a calico look to him, even more so than yours. I have wondered if it has something to do with the pied gene influencing pattern.








By comparison here is our plain ole pastel boy. The difference is quite apparent.

[wolfy-hound]

Regular pastels to me, but you can always breed it out and see.

[Missina]

Reminds me a bit of my het pied pastel male. Mine has almost a calico look to him, even more so than yours. I have wondered if it has something to do with the pied gene influencing pattern.

Thanks asherah fot sharing the photos of your pastel het pied male! He really does almost look calico. I even asked the breeder i got my make from last year if he had calico in him and he said no. I tried looking up photos of other pastels but yours is the first i have seen that looks like my male. Have you ever bred your male? My male has, as far as i know, sired 2 clutches. One for his former owner (GetMorphed) and once for me. He has not produced any pied off spring, but has strong pied markers on his belly. And the offspring i have from him are all starting to get his white sides. Maybe it is linked to the pied gene?
Anyone have a pastel with high white sides thzt is Not het pied?

Thanks,
Missina

[Asherah]

Thanks asherah fot sharing the photos of your pastel het pied male! He really does almost look calico. I even asked the breeder i got my make from last year if he had calico in him and he said no. I tried looking up photos of other pastels but yours is the first i have seen that looks like my male. Have you ever bred your male? My male has, as far as i know, sired 2 clutches. One for his former owner (GetMorphed) and once for me. He has not produced any pied off spring, but has strong pied markers on his belly. And the offspring i have from him are all starting to get his white sides. Maybe it is linked to the pied gene?
Anyone have a pastel with high white sides thzt is Not het pied?

Thanks,
Missina

He has produced clutches for his former owner, with pied offspring, I have not yet bred him as this will be my first year breeding. I do not know if any of his offspring have high white sides like he does. I know the breeder I got him from pretty well, so it would be nothing to ask.

If I remember correctly the pastel poss het pied female I have is his offspring. My records state that she was from a het pied to a pastel het pied breeding that produced pied. I can't say for sure though if she was from one of his clutches or I just assumed such being that she came from the same breeder. She certainly has a similar look, but I have not noted that she has any extra white. She's at about 550g and honestly I haven't paid that much attention. I will grab her out for a few pictures when I get home if you would like.

Edit: Out of curiosity do all the babies you posted have tack markers?

[frostysBP]

my 3300g pastel. I have seen them all vary a lot.

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[Missina]

He has produced clutches for his former owner, with pied offspring, I have not yet bred him as this will be my first year breeding. I do not know if any of his offspring have high white sides like he does. I know the breeder I got him from pretty well, so it would be nothing to ask.

If I remember correctly the pastel poss het pied female I have is his offspring. My records state that she was from a het pied to a pastel het pied breeding that produced pied. I can't say for sure though if she was from one of his clutches or I just assumed such being that she came from the same breeder. She certainly has a similar look, but I have not noted that she has any extra white. She's at about 550g and honestly I haven't paid that much attention. I will grab her out for a few pictures when I get home if you would like.

Edit: Out of curiosity do all the babies you posted have tack markers?

3 out of the 4 offspring from my male show strong tracks, and the 4th one is in shed right now so I did not post her photo, but she has weak tracks that are not like her siblings. I will see what her sides look like after she sheds this time.
I am very interested to see what you get from your male when you breed him! I wish you the best of luck with him. keep me in mind and share pics of his offspring when you get them

Missina

[Missina]

my 3300g pastel. I have seen them all vary a lot.

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Hi FrostysBP, is your pastel also het for pied? its kind of difficult to tell if it has the high white sides due to the flash.

Missina

[frostysBP]

No hets just an old fat and happy pastel....she is in shed right now I will pose another pic after she sheds....I would say she is a mid white

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