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    If and when to cut

    I have been incubating our eggs at 89-90 degrees and we are at day 53. I keep reading stories about snakes that died in their egg from either no egg tooth or a twisted umbilical. I was wondering if or when I should cut our eggs.
    There was one day for a couple of hours the temps went down to 82 degrees due to a power outage, but I have candled them since and everyone is moving.
    This would be my first clutch to cut. Thanks for any advice 😀
    1.0 POG…. Surak 1.0 Calico……Caius 1.0 Cinnamon….Jerath 1.0 Enchi…..Xavier
    1.0 Leopard 100% het pied……Aslan 1.0 Black pastel 100% het pied…..Teal’C 1.0 Pied….Apollo
    1.0 Albino….Draco 1.0 Yellowbelly 100% Albino……Aragorn 1.0 Mystic......Morpheus 1.0 Hidden gene woma specter.....Mulder 1.0 Fire.....Theseus 1.0 Champagne pinstripe.....Hades 1.0 Banana bumblebee.......Zeus 1.0 Lesser.....Anders 1.0 Desert.......Jaba

    0.1 Normal 100% het hypo….Sarabi 0.1 Lesser…..Kara 0.1 Pinstripe…..Tehla 0.1 Spider….Charlotte
    0.1 Yellowbelly 100% het albino…..Arwen 0.1 Enchi…….Jean 0.1 Black pastel 100% het pied…..Ishta
    0.1 GHI……Sena 0.1 pastel........Athena 0.1 normal......Willow 0.1 Ghost.....Persephone 0.1 Lemonblast 100% hypo.....Luna 0.1 Orange dream yellowbelly....Scully 0.1 100% het pied......Daphne 0.1 Mojave.......Trinity 0.1 100% het albino......Astoria 0.1 Black pastel.....Boomer


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    Re: If and when to cut

    Please move to breeding section, my tapatalk app always does this. It puts it in the wrong group 😡
    1.0 POG…. Surak 1.0 Calico……Caius 1.0 Cinnamon….Jerath 1.0 Enchi…..Xavier
    1.0 Leopard 100% het pied……Aslan 1.0 Black pastel 100% het pied…..Teal’C 1.0 Pied….Apollo
    1.0 Albino….Draco 1.0 Yellowbelly 100% Albino……Aragorn 1.0 Mystic......Morpheus 1.0 Hidden gene woma specter.....Mulder 1.0 Fire.....Theseus 1.0 Champagne pinstripe.....Hades 1.0 Banana bumblebee.......Zeus 1.0 Lesser.....Anders 1.0 Desert.......Jaba

    0.1 Normal 100% het hypo….Sarabi 0.1 Lesser…..Kara 0.1 Pinstripe…..Tehla 0.1 Spider….Charlotte
    0.1 Yellowbelly 100% het albino…..Arwen 0.1 Enchi…….Jean 0.1 Black pastel 100% het pied…..Ishta
    0.1 GHI……Sena 0.1 pastel........Athena 0.1 normal......Willow 0.1 Ghost.....Persephone 0.1 Lemonblast 100% hypo.....Luna 0.1 Orange dream yellowbelly....Scully 0.1 100% het pied......Daphne 0.1 Mojave.......Trinity 0.1 100% het albino......Astoria 0.1 Black pastel.....Boomer


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    How do the eggs look in terms of dimpling?

    I wait until the first pip, at day 53 you should be fine if you choose to cut. Just be careful

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    Re: If and when to cut

    They are dimpled a little, but still look plump. I had press n seal on the tub and humidity was very high
    1.0 POG…. Surak 1.0 Calico……Caius 1.0 Cinnamon….Jerath 1.0 Enchi…..Xavier
    1.0 Leopard 100% het pied……Aslan 1.0 Black pastel 100% het pied…..Teal’C 1.0 Pied….Apollo
    1.0 Albino….Draco 1.0 Yellowbelly 100% Albino……Aragorn 1.0 Mystic......Morpheus 1.0 Hidden gene woma specter.....Mulder 1.0 Fire.....Theseus 1.0 Champagne pinstripe.....Hades 1.0 Banana bumblebee.......Zeus 1.0 Lesser.....Anders 1.0 Desert.......Jaba

    0.1 Normal 100% het hypo….Sarabi 0.1 Lesser…..Kara 0.1 Pinstripe…..Tehla 0.1 Spider….Charlotte
    0.1 Yellowbelly 100% het albino…..Arwen 0.1 Enchi…….Jean 0.1 Black pastel 100% het pied…..Ishta
    0.1 GHI……Sena 0.1 pastel........Athena 0.1 normal......Willow 0.1 Ghost.....Persephone 0.1 Lemonblast 100% hypo.....Luna 0.1 Orange dream yellowbelly....Scully 0.1 100% het pied......Daphne 0.1 Mojave.......Trinity 0.1 100% het albino......Astoria 0.1 Black pastel.....Boomer


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    Re: If and when to cut

    I would wait till the first one pips. That way you can be relatively certain the rest are close to hatching.

    If you do cut before that then you need to read up on taking care of the eggs once you make them vulnerable.
    Derek

    7 adult Royals (2.5), 1.0 COS Pastel, 1.0 Enchi, 1.1 Lesser platty Royal python, 1.1 Black pastel Royal python, 0.1 Blue eyed leucistic ( Super lesser), 0.1 Piebald Royal python, 1.0 Sinaloan milk snake 1.0 crested gecko and 1 bad case of ETS. no wife, no surprise.

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    Re: If and when to cut

    Quote Originally Posted by dr del View Post
    I would wait till the first one pips. That way you can be relatively certain the rest are close to hatching.

    If you do cut before that then you need to read up on taking care of the eggs once you make them vulnerable.
    Of course, if you let the babies pip and emerge by themselves, you are not making the babies vulnerable.

    IMO, no egg tooth and a twisted umbilical are rationalizations for simple impatience. Ball pythons have been hatching without assistance for millions of years. I see no overriding reason to cut the shell.

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    I agree with PaulH. BPs evolved over millions of years to attain the characteristics for successful breeding. Something like an egg tooth not anatomically developing is a VERY rare mutation as it obviously would kill the neonate in nature. Ive found that more harm is done by an inexperienced breeder that makes early or faulty cuts. I know its hard when you just want to see the hatchlings, but be patient and let nature play out. Its much better at this than you are

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    Re: If and when to cut

    I just read on one of my Facebook pages that someone just lost a pied hatching due to a twisted umbilical cord.....so it does happen. As much as I want to see what's inside, I'm just worried that they might die. Thank you for the replies.
    Last edited by jesst; 04-09-2015 at 07:31 PM.
    1.0 POG…. Surak 1.0 Calico……Caius 1.0 Cinnamon….Jerath 1.0 Enchi…..Xavier
    1.0 Leopard 100% het pied……Aslan 1.0 Black pastel 100% het pied…..Teal’C 1.0 Pied….Apollo
    1.0 Albino….Draco 1.0 Yellowbelly 100% Albino……Aragorn 1.0 Mystic......Morpheus 1.0 Hidden gene woma specter.....Mulder 1.0 Fire.....Theseus 1.0 Champagne pinstripe.....Hades 1.0 Banana bumblebee.......Zeus 1.0 Lesser.....Anders 1.0 Desert.......Jaba

    0.1 Normal 100% het hypo….Sarabi 0.1 Lesser…..Kara 0.1 Pinstripe…..Tehla 0.1 Spider….Charlotte
    0.1 Yellowbelly 100% het albino…..Arwen 0.1 Enchi…….Jean 0.1 Black pastel 100% het pied…..Ishta
    0.1 GHI……Sena 0.1 pastel........Athena 0.1 normal......Willow 0.1 Ghost.....Persephone 0.1 Lemonblast 100% hypo.....Luna 0.1 Orange dream yellowbelly....Scully 0.1 100% het pied......Daphne 0.1 Mojave.......Trinity 0.1 100% het albino......Astoria 0.1 Black pastel.....Boomer


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    It's up to you. Some say wait, others cut on day 52. Personally I TRY to hold out and let them hatch on their own, but I never do. I have cut from day 52 up to day 61 and never had a problem.

    I hardest part is after you cut them.....I always want to look at them!

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    i personnally wait the first pipper or cut day 58 , my temperature of incubation is 31,5 Celsius
    1.0 superstripe, killerbee, OD spider fire, black pastel YB, black specter, pastel dinker, spider dinker, banana, banana cinnamon, enchi fire OD, fire dream bee het. russo, pastel superstripe, 2.0 firefly dream YB.

    0.2 superpastel yb, 0.2 enchi, 0.1 yellowbelly 0.2 cinnamon, 0.2 normal, 0.1 black widow, black pewter, fire, lemon pastel, pastel, black pastel, bumblebee, spider granite, het. russo, super pastel, pastel specter, specter,lesser pin, OD, fire OD, OD fire het. russo, OD pastel, firefly dream YB, fire bee het. russo, lemon pastel enchi, citrus super enchi, super pastel enchi, pastel ivory, bumblebee dinker

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