Python and water

[Bibinsky]

Tonight i found my Python in her bowl of water ( my english is not vero well ) and i own her 5 years ago and she never act like this before. She never stay in the water. I want to Know if its normal ? The température is ok and the hygrometer is well too. Thank You


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[tbowman]

The first two things that come to mind would either be that the enclosure is too warm and she's trying to cool down, or she could potentially be trying to drown snake mites. I've heard that some snakes will soak in their water sometimes but I haven't really noticed it with my Ball Pythons.

[Joe balls]

I agree with the mite theory. The way I found out my girl had mites was she would curl up in her bowl, she also rever did this behavior before the mites.
provent-a-mite is the easiest fix. (without wives tales and home made solutions). retreat every 2-4 weeks 2-3 times and larva won't get big enough to ever lay eggs and then your clean again.

[Sauzo]

My baby sunglow BCI soaked when she was shedding but I've never seen my pied BP girl soak ever. I agree too with its probably either mites or heat. Check the bottom of the water dish for little black specks that aren't dirt. Also check around the eyes, pits and under the chin for mites. If so, I've heard Natural Chemistry Reptile Spray works really good and doesn't the have the dangers that PAM can have. Plus the reptile spray can be sprayed on the snake itself. I've never used it as I've never had to deal with mites as I'm pretty OCD and avoid reptile shows as it seems most people that get mite problems were at reptile shows and I avoid handling other snakes. But like I said, people here have said the reptile spray worked really good.

[Joe balls]

I hate when someone that has no experince with a topic chimes in and contradicts someone who actually has used the products.
Don't spray anything on your snake I got the natural chem product in my hand it reads "avoid eyes and facial area" now that is the most important area mite like and you can't teat so re infestation will accur. I can tell you it also softens the scales and made them feel like wet leather and did little to nothing to the mites. I had better luck letting her climb throw a damp towel. Now the PAM when use right Has NO bad effects and stays active so when larva hatch they can't lay eggs before they die. Nothing kills the eggs. But Pam is still working when they hatch and befor they lay eggs. No re infestation.

[kitedemon]

It could be mites. Check carefully to see if you see any you should see them.

It is often also related to humidity, hygrometers are temperamental tools and often go off. Digital units are especially suspect, they often get stuff on the micro carbon pad and basically any dust can change the reading. I have a number that have read over 30% in error. Analogue gauges are far more robust, however the cheap ones with the paper face card bind too easily, they also can be accurate but rarely stay that way.

I would suggest checking the hygrometer first (salt test for analogues and a hygrometer calibration kit, cigar stores sell them, for digital units)

Look for mites very carefully don't just treat using any chemical. P-A-M is a potent poison and has over many years killed a number of snakes due to incorrect use. I have herd of a couple of cats as well (PERMETHRIN or 3-phenoxyphenyl) is very toxic to cats. Be very careful using any poison, they demand respect. It is in the phenol family of insecticides, yet if I were to suggest spraying cedar oil all over the enclosure I am sure someone would say that is a bad idea. PAMs active ingredient is a synthetic source of a similar chemical. 25 years ago cedar was though to be beneficial, now not so much. Be very careful when using pesticides they are poison. The only EPA approval I can find on PAM aka CIC Residual Pressurized Spray No.V is under 50404-7. But that is approved only for dogs.

(http://www.epa.gov/opp00001/chem_sea...7-20110801.pdf) if there is a correct number anyone knows of I would love to see it. There seem to be few MDSD sheets on the product.

If you decide there are mites, and don't want to use a chemical treatment there are a lot of non toxic mechanical methods to kill mites, they just take some effort.

[kitedemon]

... Nothing kills the eggs. ...

Heat... water... detergents... alkaline solutions... diatomaceous earth...

Every living thing has a set of environmental conditions it needs to breed and hatch eggs, if you deny these things they die.

[se7en]

Nothing kills the eggs.

[tbowman]

I hate when someone that has no experince with a topic chimes in and contradicts someone who actually has used the products.
Don't spray anything on your snake I got the natural chem product in my hand it reads "avoid eyes and facial area" now that is the most important area mite like and you can't teat so re infestation will accur. I can tell you it also softens the scales and made them feel like wet leather and did little to nothing to the mites. I had better luck letting her climb throw a damp towel. Now the PAM when use right Has NO bad effects and stays active so when larva hatch they can't lay eggs before they die. Nothing kills the eggs. But Pam is still working when they hatch and befor they lay eggs. No re infestation.

I disagree. When I had a small case of mites I used reptile spray, on the recommendation of a reputable member of this forum. Worked like a charm. The fact that you are able to even get the stuff near the snake should tell you that it is a far less toxic treatment than PAM.

[Bibinsky]

Ok im worried about my little girl. How can i check if she have mites?


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