Breeding a Super with Homozygous? (Ivory x Super Mojo)

[Dev_DeCoste]

Hello everyone,

Little genetics question for you all... I've been eyeballing a Pastel Pumpkin Champaign for sale that I would love to pick up. After some time I would love to breed with my Jigsaw, which would produce a decent chance of hitting some Super Mojo and maybe even Ivory after a generation or two...

My question is.. What would be the results of this pairing? Would breeding an Ivory & Super Mojo create an Ivory Super Mojo? Or would you only get Mojave Yellow Belly?

According to the Wizard there's a whole wealth of possibilities for Jigsaw x P.P.C.... http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/&male=73,84&female=39,32,20 When I saw all the Mojo YB combos I was immediately intrigued by the idea.. But not sure if it's genetically possible.. I knew I should have paid better attention in Bio class..

Thanks in advance!

[Mike41793]

An ivory x super mojo would give you all mojo ybs. Ivory means every baby has YB in it. Super mojo means every baby has mojo in it.

[Eric Alan]

You'd only end up with Mojave YBs from an Ivory x Super Mojave pairing.

In order to produce the super form of any incomplete dominant trait, both parents need to be carrying that trait and pass it on to their offspring. In your case, the parents are carrying each trait separately. Yes, it is the super form (having a matched pair of genes, or "alleles"), but they can still only pass one of their two alleles to their offspring - not both. Does that make sense?

Also, the pairing you've linked to is Jigsaw YB x Jigsaw YB. Was that intentional?

[grcforce327]

Hello everyone,

Little genetics question for you all... I've been eyeballing a Pastel Pumpkin Champaign for sale that I would love to pick up. After some time I would love to breed with my Jigsaw, which would produce a decent chance of hitting some Super Mojo and maybe even Ivory after a generation or two...

My question is.. What would be the results of this pairing? Would breeding an Ivory & Super Mojo create an Ivory Super Mojo? Or would you only get Mojave Yellow Belly?

According to the Wizard there's a whole wealth of possibilities for Jigsaw x P.P.C.... http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/&male=73,84&female=39,32,20 When I saw all the Mojo YB combos I was immediately intrigued by the idea.. But not sure if it's genetically possible.. I knew I should have paid better attention in Bio class..

Thanks in advance!

You are saying you know about the genetic wizard,but don't know how to use it.

[paulh]

As near as I can figure it out, pumpkin seems to be a synonym for yellow belly. Crossing a pastel yellow belly champagne with a jigsaw involves 5 gene pairs.

The pastel pumpkin champagne:
Gene pair 1: a pastel mutant gene and a normal gene
Gene pair 2: a yellow belly mutant gene and a normal gene
Gene pair 3: a champagne mutant gene and a normal gene
Gene pair 4: 2 normal genes
Gene pair 5: 2 normal genes

The jigsaw:
Gene pair 1: 2 normal genes
Gene pair 2: 2 normal genes
Gene pair 3: 2 normal genes
Gene pair 4: a mojave mutant gene and a normal gene
Gene pair 5: a pinstripe mutant gene and a normal gene

Results (probability is 1/32 for each):
normal
pastel
yellow belly
champagne
pastel yellow belly
pastel champagne
yellow belly champagne
pastel yellow belly champagne
mojave
mojave pastel
mojave yellow belly
mojave champagne
mojave pastel yellow belly
mojave pastel champagne
mojave yellow belly champagne
mojave pastel yellow belly champagne
pinstripe
pinstripe pastel
pinstripe yellow belly
pinstripe champagne
pinstripe pastel yellow belly
pinstripe pastel champagne
pinstripe yellow belly champagne
pinstripe pastel yellow belly champagne
mojave pinstripe mojave pinstripe
mojave pinstripe pastel
mojave pinstripe yellow belly
mojave pinstripe champagne
mojave pinstripe pastel yellow belly
mojave pinstripe pastel champagne
mojave pinstripe yellow belly champagne
mojave pinstripe pastel yellow belly champagne

No super mojaves or ivories from this cross.

[Eric Alan]

...

Pumpkin Champagne is actually Mike Wilbanks's line of Champagne (http://pythonregius.com/pumpkinchampagneballpython.aspx). No Yellow Belly...

[Dev_DeCoste]

Thank you for the input guys, I get it fully now

You'd only end up with Mojave YBs from an Ivory x Super Mojave pairing.

In order to produce the super form of any incomplete dominant trait, both parents need to be carrying that trait and pass it on to their offspring. In your case, the parents are carrying each trait separately. Yes, it is the super form (having a matched pair of genes, or "alleles"), but they can still only pass one of their two alleles to their offspring - not both. Does that make sense?

Also, the pairing you've linked to is Jigsaw YB x Jigsaw YB. Was that intentional?

Yea... I tried fixing that link a bunch of times but for some reason it kept linking to the Jigsaw YB pairing...

[paulh]

Pumpkin Champagne is actually Mike Wilbanks's line of Champagne (http://pythonregius.com/pumpkinchampagneballpython.aspx). No Yellow Belly...

Thank you!

Then the results in my previous post must be corrected to
normal
pastel
champagne
pastel champagne
mojave
mojave pastel
mojave champagne
mojave pastel champagne
pinstripe
pinstripe pastel
pinstripe champagne
pinstripe pastel champagne
mojave pinstripe mojave pinstripe
mojave pinstripe pastel
mojave pinstripe champagne
mojave pinstripe pastel champagne
probability is 1/16 for each