Genetic question - Father/Mother/Children/Cousin connections

[LukSad]

Hi,
i'm not sure is this correct section of forum.
But i have question - are there any mutations, genetic defects when we connect for example father with children or children with mother? One more connection is like:
F-Father; M1-Mother 1; M2-Mother 2; C1-Children form F x M1; C2-Children from F x M2. And connection I am thinking of is C1 x C2.
If it was explained can anyone give direct link to that topic? (i don't have idea how looking for it)

[steve_r34]

u can breed back

[Slim]

With mammals, in-breeding is not a good idea, but it's different with reptiles. I wouldn't do it repeatedly, but breeding back offspring to sire or dam will be fine. It happens in nature with reptiles on a fairly regular basis. Think of a small isolated pond in a South Carolina pine barren. The frogs in that pond have basically been in-breeding for generations. Very few of them are born with 3 eyes

[Pythonfriend]

like the others said.

reptiles have some resilience, so if its done only for one or two generations, and for a good reason, then its quite accepted. but it should not continue over several generations. doing it too much for too long would cause problems, but that can be easily avoided.

i heared several large breeders talk about how they are limiting / avoiding inbreeding and keeping their collection genetically healthy and diverse. and for mathematical reasons, avoiding inbreeding gets much easier with larger collections.

try using the search function of this forum, search for "inbreeding", there are many threads about the topic. the general consensus is that its fine, and often unavoidable, to do it for one or two generations. and apart from that, it should be avoided, which is rather easy to do.

[LukSad]

like the others said.[...]
try using the search function of this forum, search for "inbreeding", there are many threads about the topic. the general consensus is that its fine, and often unavoidable, to do it for one or two generations. and apart from that, it should be avoided, which is rather easy to do.

Thank you for answer - so i just mast change witch other people my snakes to get fresh gens i will looking after more information about it any way.

[Lexcorn]

Thank you for answer - so i just mast change witch other people my snakes to get fresh gens i will looking after more information about it any way.

Yes & No...........

If you find a good Breeder then stick with them - not all folks produce healthy high quality animals.

Also, buying from a different person does not, necessarily, indicate that the stock is unrelated. They too may have purchased animals from the same person as yourself.

Again refer to a good Breeder who can inform you of their stock's lineage as most will source animals from reliable friends or people with whom they have an excellent relationship & can verify their history.

In a 'nutshell' ask questions - if the seller is unable/unwilling to respond then move on to another person who is more knowledgeable.

Lex

[LukSad]

Yes & No...........

If you find a good Breeder then stick with them - not all folks produce healthy high quality animals.(...) In a 'nutshell' ask questions - if the seller is unable/unwilling to respond then move on to another person who is more knowledgeable.

Lex

I think I find someone like you tell I have all needed information about my male and I can get help and many information from some breeder. This year I going to buy Spider from him becouse He have awesome female. Any way he have many female so I can cooperate with him many time before some "family problem"


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[Pythonfriend]

thats true, you need information on the ancestry of both snakes.

the more information you have about parents and grandparents and so on, the better. then, when deciding on pairings, you compare the ancestry of the male to the ancestry of the female. if there is an individual snake present in both the ancestry of the male and the female, then its some degree of inbreeding.

here is an inbreeding calculator, its actually for dogs, but the mathematics are the same for all species:
http://www.czerwonytrop.com/inb/index.php?full
the quality of the result totally depends on how much data you can put in.