News: 2 die in rock python attack

[TheSnakeGeek]

anywaaaays... any updates on this story? or is it case closed: snakes are monsters.

[SquamishSerpents]

as·phyx·i·a (s-fks-)
n.
A condition in which an extreme decrease in the amount of oxygen in the body accompanied by an increase of carbon dioxide leads to loss of consciousness or death.

Things that can cause oxygen deficiency:


-Carbon monoxide inhalation, such as from a car exhaust: carbon monoxide has a higher affinity than oxygen to the hemoglobin in the blood's red blood corpuscles, bonding with it tenaciously, and, in the process, displacing oxygen and preventing the blood from transporting oxygen around the body
-Contact with certain chemicals, including pulmonary agents (such as phosgene) and blood agents (such as hydrogen cyanide)
-Self-induced hypocapnia by hyperventilation, as in shallow water or deep water blackout and the choking game
-A seizure which stops breathing activity
-Sleep apnea
-Drug overdose
-Ondine's curse, central alveolar hypoventilation syndrome, or primary alveolar hypoventilation, a disorder of the autonomic nervous system in which a patient must consciously breathe; although it is often said that persons with this disease will die if they fall asleep, this is not usually the case
-Acute respiratory distress syndrome.
-Exposure to extreme low pressure or vacuum to the pattern (see space exposure)
-Hanging
-Respiratory diseases
-Drowning
-Possibly crucifixion

[SquamishSerpents]

Also right from that article in dailymail:

"It constricts its prey to death and has been known to devour whole antelopes or crocodiles. After gripping the prey, the snake coils around it and tightens its coils every time the prey exhales; death is often caused by cardiac arrest rather than by asphyxiation"

UNFORTUNATELY everyone is just going to have to be patient until the full results are released.

[BlueMoonExotics]

At this point, they are sociopaths. Because they can function normally and can pass off false emotion as real emotion.

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and how do you call people that lack any and all empathy for other humans or for any animals, but that never commit crimes and can function quite well in society?

i most often here these being referred to as psychopaths, but according to the link these would be sociopaths.

or is total lack of empathy but no violence something else?


Anyway, i think the guy that was the owner of the african rock python was neither. if he would be the impulsive kind, it would show much more in the past and in statements about him. if he would be the planning kind, then it doesnt fit because its a damn stupid plan, best case scenario is that everyone hates him, non-snake-keepers and snake-keepers alike, because he failed to have the snake under control. (or because he kept it in the first place, or because he kept it near children).

I guess I was trying to avoid getting off topic by explaining the different types of personality disorders (there are many) and try to figure out (without ever meeting him in person) which one he could possibly be, if any. That would be up to the people involved in this case. The term psychopath had already been dropped in this thread and it's used pretty loosely by the average person. The point is that they can be your best friend and most people wouldn't have a clue. Again, I'm not saying that he is or isn't, but it can and does happen. Personally, I'm not sure that is the case, but I do think that details are missing that shouldn't be. Something is amiss either because the media isn't telling it or because someone isn't giving all the details.

[Pickenprod]

Yeah, it really disappoints me to see some articles using the word "strangled" right there in the headline. Asphyxiation sounds like a terrible way to go, but there are more ways that someone could die from asphyxiation than being strangled by a python.

[TheSnakeGeek]

from Jay Brewer (Prehistoric Pets') facebook page:

A message from founder Jay Brewer regarding his televised interview this morning:

"Those poor children! I cannot imagine loosing two of my kids, but I would want to know the TRUTH! All of it. I would want to know why there was no bites, no blood, & no trauma?

Reports said at first Savoie tried to wake the boys, why would you think they would wake up? Because they looked like they were asleep with eyes closed.

Carbon monoxide is called the silent killer. It leaves no bite marks, no blood, & no trauma. Comes from ventilation pipes (which were broken by the pythons escape) and goes to the lowest points in the room... the floor were the kids where sleeping.

Also the preliminary autopsies came back as asphyxiation again pointing away from the python. Harry Greene professor and snake expert at Cornell University explains "constrictors do not kill by asphyxiation" and Brad Chambers further details "snakes kill by a catastrophic spike in blood pressure and cardio pulmonary failure"

Too much suggesting something different happened! Why are these questions not being answered by the news? Why is the information being withheld? Is it possible the story would no longer be sensational?

Last night I thought I would have the opportunity to share these FACTS along with the many others that make this terrible incident questionable and try to show the normal characteristics of pythons.

After all our company Prehistoric Pets has had million of safe and educational interactions with children. This is COMPLETELY out of character for these snakes.

Unfortunately I was not given the chance from CNN. Instead of playing the over 30 minutes of responses recorded, just seconds of the interview was edited, reinterpreted, and misrepresented.

This is an EXTREMELY disappointing showing from CNN who I hoped would report on the truth instead of the narrative they would like to lead. I went on to defend not only pythons, but the TRUTH in the media.

I will no longer assume in naivety that my words will be shared in their entirety and will no longer take any pre-recorded interviews with news outlets such as these that aim to push an agenda instead of the facts."

[eatgoodfood]

anywaaaays... any updates on this story? or is it case closed: snakes are monsters.

Oh its far from over. Here is the recent I have seen.

http://globalnews.ca/news/769386/mis...cean-employee/

Apparently many of the animals, i.e crocodiles and what not came from the government as he was the only facility capable of caring for the seized animals... hmmm...

[Bluebonnet Herp]

Well, we have a long road ahead of us.
By the way, this may be useful: http://melissaasmith.hubpages.com/hub/simplelogic
I demand public protest for ALL walking exotic pet keepers- not just reptile keepers! I'm getting sick of the witch hunting crap.

[treeboa]

Oh its far from over. Here is the recent I have seen.

http://globalnews.ca/news/769386/mis...cean-employee/

Apparently many of the animals, i.e crocodiles and what not came from the government as he was the only facility capable of caring for the seized animals... hmmm...

The problem with this story is that the source is an employee/friend of his. There are several holes here. If the government gave him the animals, why did they not, also, give him the permits needed to keep them? If there was no place to take the animals seized back then, why are they having no trouble finding a place now that they were seized from him? Lastly, from the pictures I've seen, his shop looks pretty small. How did he ever have room to properly house all these large animals? I don't like the fact that snakes are taking an undeserved beating in all this, but if this guy was breaking the law, he deserves what he gets.

[ewaldrep]

Also right from that article in dailymail:

"It constricts its prey to death and has been known to devour whole antelopes or crocodiles. After gripping the prey, the snake coils around it and tightens its coils every time the prey exhales; death is often caused by cardiac arrest rather than by asphyxiation"

UNFORTUNATELY everyone is just going to have to be patient until the full results are released.

This statement does not say only cardiac arrest so that does not rule out the snakes as the culprit here. Thus far, on this site, it has been an interesting view of confirmation bias in action. The most likely scenario at this point is the unfortunate and untimely death of the two boys by the snake due to an irresponsible keeper. If there is evidence that contradicts that then I am waiting to hear it.