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I bought a cinnamon that might actually be a black pastel?
I bought this girl today as a cinnamon. The picture doesn't show off her nice, long connected markings, but I guess the colors and squiggly markings make her look more like a black pastel? I emailed the breeder for some clarification, but if the answer is that she could technically be a black pastel... I know that by breeding her to a cinnamon I'd still get 25% black pastel cinnamons, but if bred back to a cinnamon, the babies would all be cinnamons and black pastels, right? No 8 balls?
I bought her because she's pretty, but I was hoping for super cinnamons. :/
0.1 Normal "Vera"
1.0 Kenyan sand boa "Haji"
1.0 Mussurana "Guinness"
1.1 Cinnamon "Jake & Sybil"
1.0 Mexican black kingsnake "Set"
1.0 Patternless Northern pine snake "Ponder"
1.0 Jaguar carpet python "Django"
0.1 Tangerine albino Honduran milksnake "Sunny"
1.0 Blue phase Japanese rat snake "Malachite"
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You are correct that's a black pastel. black pastel and cinnamon makes an 8ball. so if you bred a cinny x black pastel back to a cinny you would get super cinny, 8balls, black pastels and cinnamons.
Last edited by dillan2020; 07-20-2013 at 10:34 PM.
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Yep Black Pastel.... very nice one to be honest 
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Re: I bought a cinnamon that might actually be a black pastel?
Family:
0.1 Wife
3.1 Kids
Balls:
1.0 Lesser Pied, 1.0 VPI Snow, 1.0 Super Pastel Mojave, 1.1 Albino het VPI Axanthic G-Stripe, 1.0 Albino Black Pastel, 2.2 Triple het VPI Axanthic/Albino/Pied, 1.1 Triple het VPI Axanthic/Albino/G-Stripe, 0.1 Pastel BEL(Mojave/Lesser), 0.1 Sterling Mojave, 0.2 Pied, 0.2 Kingpin het Pied, 0.1 Cinnamon Lesser het Pied, 0.2 Clown, 0.1 Citrus Pewter Calico, 0.1 Pastel Mystic, 0.1 Mystic, 0.2 Cinnapin, 0.1 VPI Axanthic G-Stripe, 0.1 G-Stripe het Albino, 0.1 G-Stripe, 0.1 Pewter, 0.1 Lesser, 0.2 Spider ph Pied, 0.1 Spotnose ph Pied, 0.1 Spinner, 0.1 Black Pastel, 0.1 Normal
Other:
1.0 Husky
0.1 Husky/Lab
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Re: I bought a cinnamon that might actually be a black pastel?
I understand why you're all saying that. I'd say the same thing. But I got her from a reputable breeder with some insane combos, and he says the father's a cinnaglow (the first in the world) and the mother's a pewter... So genetically, how COULD she be a black pastel? 
0.1 Normal "Vera"
1.0 Kenyan sand boa "Haji"
1.0 Mussurana "Guinness"
1.1 Cinnamon "Jake & Sybil"
1.0 Mexican black kingsnake "Set"
1.0 Patternless Northern pine snake "Ponder"
1.0 Jaguar carpet python "Django"
0.1 Tangerine albino Honduran milksnake "Sunny"
1.0 Blue phase Japanese rat snake "Malachite"
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If the Pewter was made with Black Pastel it's possible.
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Re: I bought a cinnamon that might actually be a black pastel?
Well I even asked for clarification and the breeder says it was a cinnamon pewter. If this picture showed the full length of her body you might see how she's more of a black pastel wannabe. The breeder says he hatches various degrees of colors and some end up looking like black pastels. -shrug- I might as well trust the guy's word and treat her like a cinnamon.
0.1 Normal "Vera"
1.0 Kenyan sand boa "Haji"
1.0 Mussurana "Guinness"
1.1 Cinnamon "Jake & Sybil"
1.0 Mexican black kingsnake "Set"
1.0 Patternless Northern pine snake "Ponder"
1.0 Jaguar carpet python "Django"
0.1 Tangerine albino Honduran milksnake "Sunny"
1.0 Blue phase Japanese rat snake "Malachite"
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Re: I bought a cinnamon that might actually be a black pastel?
Sorry, I can never figure out how to edit my posts here? Here's another picture:
0.1 Normal "Vera"
1.0 Kenyan sand boa "Haji"
1.0 Mussurana "Guinness"
1.1 Cinnamon "Jake & Sybil"
1.0 Mexican black kingsnake "Set"
1.0 Patternless Northern pine snake "Ponder"
1.0 Jaguar carpet python "Django"
0.1 Tangerine albino Honduran milksnake "Sunny"
1.0 Blue phase Japanese rat snake "Malachite"
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Ah hey Yote, I was the one over on Tumblr who thought she might be Calico Black Pastel upon first glance. Have you seen her parents? Maybe you'll get some answers upon viewing them.
1.1 Ball Pythons
a) Calliope 0.1, Banana Ball, 2018/19 season, 600g
b) Geralt 1.0 Chocolate Sable Mojave pos. Trick ball, May 27th 2020
3.2 Cats (Fury, Leviathan, Walter, Chell, Amelie); 2.0 Dogs (Bjorn, Anubis); 2.1 Ferrets (Bran, Tormund, Arya); 0.1 Beardie (Nefertiti); 0.1 Slider Turtle (Species uncertain) (Papaya); 2.0 Hermit Crabs (Tamatoa, Sushi); 0.1 Conure (Mauii); Two Axolotyls (Quetzl and Unnamed); Two Tree Frogs (Pluto and Colossus); One Anole (Zeus); One Crestie (Noferatu); 3.0 Guinea Pigs (Paco, Poncho and Piccolo); 0.1 Pink Toe T (Azula)
Fish:
1.1 Oscar Cichlids (Rocky 1.0, hx2020, Red Fire, and Bubble 0.1, hx2019, Tiger), 1.1 Convict Cichlids (Hurley and Sloane), 0.1 Strawberry Peacock Cichlid (Comet), Two Plecos, Rubby the Rubbernose Pleco and Trinidad the common Pleco, 2.0 Upside Down Catfish (Poseidon, Neptune), One Red Parrot Cichlid (Firefly), 1.0 Betta Fish (Jenkins), 2.2 Cherry Barbs ("The Worst"), 1.0 Electric Blue Acara (Goldeneye)
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I'll say that I've seen black pastels that look like cinnys to me (lack of "squiggles" in the alien heads) and black pastels who looks like cinnys (hardly any squiggles with blushing).
~Angelica~
See my collection HERE
4.15 Ball Pythons
1.1 Angolan Pythons
2.2 Cali Kings_______________________0.1 SSTP Black Blood
1.1 T+ Argentine BCOs______________1.0 Snow Bull
1.3 Colombian morph BCIs___________0.1 Coastal Carpet
0.1 Hog Island BCI__________________0.1 Platinum Retic
0.1 Het Anery BCL __________________0.1 Lavender Albino Citron Retic
0.2 Central American morph BCIs_____1.0 Blonde/Caramel Retic
0.1 Pokigron Suriname BCC__________0.1 Goldenchild Retic
0.0.1 Corn
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