Nuking Mites from Orbit with AaronP

[MasonC2K]

I think this is sticky worthy personally. Someone just needs to add to the first post that this is meant for a full on infestation and not just treating an animal or 2.

Also, I think it is safe to say that the Lcie stuff is tried and true at this point given the amount of breeder who have used it now.

[bcr229]

Very nice writeup! I personally wouldn't use any insecticide, whether NIX or PAM, directly on my snakes. I would treat the snakes with something like Reptile Relief or Reptile Spray instead.

Permethrin has a 30-day half life as long as it's not exposed to water or sunlight, so both NIX and PAM should be effective for quite a while after the enclosures are treated.

[Otolith]

Game over man.... game over.

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[Rickys_Reptiles]

Holy long post.

This is my version

Step 1) spray PAM on paper towel, allow to dry
Step 2) place paper towel in each snakes tub

DONE!!!

[Darkbird]

Holy long post.

This is my version

Step 1) spray PAM on paper towel, allow to dry
Step 2) place paper towel in each snakes tub

DONE!!!

trouble for me was that the above didn't work. I had to do basically the same thing as the OP to get mine under control.
Something I have not seen asked is if anyone has any reports of the "Nix" treatment being harmful? I haven't seen any, which means very little, but I have seen a lot of people give the " I don't want to chance it" response.
My experience was not having PAM readily available and finding mites after improper qt, I needed something fast so they didn't get out of control, so I tried the nix. It worked great, just had to retreat a few times. then due to my own foolishness, I ended up having them show up again. So I decided I would pick up a can of PAM at the next show and be done with the problem, as so many had said it was basically foolproof. To make this a bit shorter, PAM by itself didn't do the job. Had to go back to using the nix to treat the snakes and kept treating the racks and such with PAM. Seems to be under control now, but between my being a noob andeverything I needed the extra boost.
And I have not tried the reptile spray so I have no clue if thats better or not.

[AaronP]

trouble for me was that the above didn't work. I had to do basically the same thing as the OP to get mine under control.
Something I have not seen asked is if anyone has any reports of the "Nix" treatment being harmful? I haven't seen any, which means very little, but I have seen a lot of people give the " I don't want to chance it" response.
My experience was not having PAM readily available and finding mites after improper qt, I needed something fast so they didn't get out of control, so I tried the nix. It worked great, just had to retreat a few times. then due to my own foolishness, I ended up having them show up again. So I decided I would pick up a can of PAM at the next show and be done with the problem, as so many had said it was basically foolproof. To make this a bit shorter, PAM by itself didn't do the job. Had to go back to using the nix to treat the snakes and kept treating the racks and such with PAM. Seems to be under control now, but between my being a noob andeverything I needed the extra boost.
And I have not tried the reptile spray so I have no clue if thats better or not.

The only reports I've found said that cause of issues with the NIX Solution had to do with an improper mixture of the solution (too high a concentration of NIX to Water) or they didn't mix it at all and applied the NIX directly to the animal which of course will harm it, NIX right out of the bottle is 1% Permethrin which is TWICE the strength of PAM which you should never use directly on the animal.

[Ozifur]

Thanks for this walk through! I'm dealing with a mite issue now, using this as my attack plan. Even bookmarked in the unfortunate event of another invasion!

[Skiploder]

Indeed,

And I also know that carbon comes in many forms while being chemically identical.

Given the choice of buckminsterfullerenes, soot, graphite or diamond I am also aware that they will generate different reactions when presented to your significant other.

I like the testing - it prevents divorce or contusion of the testicles.


dr del

Derek, this has been discussed on other forums over the past 8 or 9 years. It has only been lightly touched upon on this forum.

How many ways do you think you can mix a 0.5% permethrin solution?

You have 0.5% permethrin and 95% inert ingredients which include propellent. We have had people with doctorates in chemistry debunk the theory that PAM is some magical concoction that is somehow safer in composition that the other 0.5% permethrin products.

The propellant gives of a strong odor and I have had people who work for the Ortho Division of Chevron tell me that (aside from permethrin) the only other harmful ingredient would be the propellant. So it could be argued that a product that is not aerosolized is inherently safer.

I solve that by using Sawyer's - which is a hand pump.

It has also been documented that until recently, Sayer's and PAM were both produced by Coulston under the same EPA registration number.

If people want to pay an extra $10 bucks for instructions so be it. Be when you talk about peace of mind, please name for me one incident wherein the distributor of PAM has reimbursed someone who has had their snake fall ill or die after using the product as directed? You know that snakes sometimes get sick and sometimes even die when PAM is used - right?

[dr del]

Cool - got any links?

I have definitely heard of animals suffering and dying - I think I remember something about hognoses having a lower tolerance?

I could be totally wrong about that though.

I also know, however, I've seen more reports of people having the same problems when using Nix or whatever other home mixed solution they found online.

It's a poison at the end of the day. There is always going to be a risk of problems.

[AaronP]

Cool - got any links?

I have definitely heard of animals suffering and dying - I think I remember something about hognoses having a lower tolerance?

I could be totally wrong about that though.

I also know, however, I've seen more reports of people having the same problems when using Nix or whatever other home mixed solution they found online.

It's a poison at the end of the day. There is always going to be a risk of problems.

They're all poisons, that's sorta the point.