Big News Coming Tomorrow!

[RobertVDK]

It'll be interesting to see what comes out of the eggs, that's for sure. I also feel bad that a high number of female deserts will undoubtedly be put at risk next season....lets hope people sit back, breathe, and wait to see what's really going on here before doing so.

[Sean : EbN]

Well I say "untrained eye" because i'm not familiar with the desert morph. I'm not a TOTAL noob though, so i think completely disregarding my opinion and saying that i'm wrong just bc Amir and Brant say so is kinda unfair.

I'm willing to bet a $50 donation to BP.net that no desert babies come out of that clutch. Any desert babies hatch and i'll have Judy comment here to confirm I made the donation. I already said I respect all these veterans opinions, so I think you should respect mine too. I'm not saying the snake IS NOT a desert citrus pastel 100% (maybe i didnt make that clear), I'm just saying I don't see it and am willing to bet it isn't.

No harm no foul, we're all just sharing our opinions...

I'm not trying to be offensive but I would like to say that I think you are wrong based not only on Amir and Brant but also my own professional opinion. A $50 donation to BP.net is a nice gift so I'm sure that the admins will be happy for your generosity but the ONLY way you'll be saving your cash is if the OP misses the 50% odds of Deserts (which is possible regardless of the number of eggs produced)

[bxjoon]

So now we have 3 of the best in the game pretty much confirming the genes of this animal which includes the breeder himself. So as far as the genetics of this snake goes, I am convinced that it has desert in it. Now we wait...

[MS2]

One snake dropping a clutch, if it's a desert which I'm kind of skeptical of, doesn't change the grande scheme of things.

Carry on ...

Here come negative nancy to the party!

[SaintTawny]

Of course. Natural selection would probably take care of just about every morph we own in the wild.
I own an English Bulldog, a breed that is still bred despite many problems.

English Bulldogs are delivered by Cesarean. If they arent, and I know someone who had their girl give natural birth, she was so badly injured during labor that she's no longer capable of breeding. If people pursue surgical removal of eggs from their ball pythons to prevent their girls from getting eggbound, that's one thing. It's another entirely to treat your pet's life and wellbeing like a crapshoot. I'm very glad this turned out well for OP, I would not have done it, and I suspect that we won't be seeing desert babies from that clutch. As I said before, whatever genes are at play here, I hope all the babies are healthy. I mean no ill-will when I suggest that I just don't believe this is the time it gets proven.

I really don't understand playing devils advocate in this situation. This could be the biggest news to come into the ball world in a long time. Why knock the Op? Also one of the most well known breeders (Amir) has his name and reputation on the line here. I realize that there will always be doubters, but why?

Nobody who has posted so far has been insulting to anyone else, at least not that I can see. Playing the devil's advocate is not the same thing as voicing genuine disagreement, and OP should understand that when I say I don't see desert, it's not an insult, it's an attempt to help illuminate the situation. Assume that I'm right for a minute. All of these eggs go to term and nothing that comes out is desert in any remote way. If OP hadn't considered that Amir might have made a perfectly honest mistake when labeling his girl, there could be some genuine confusion. It's not even meant to insult Amir, because be real, mistakes happen. I'm sure if somehow this female wasn't really a desert, Amir would do right by OP and work out some agreement to make them both happy.

Threads that consist of nothing but "subbed" and "Congrats!" are kind of boring anyway, right? We're all here to discuss and learn, so don't squash the discussion by reading insults where none were intended.

[eatgoodfood]

English Bulldogs are delivered by Cesarean. If they arent, and I know someone who had their girl give natural birth, she was so badly injured during labor that she's no longer capable of breeding.

And this right here is why these dogs should not be bred anymore, it says something if an animal has become such a mutant that it cant even deliver its young itself, its sick, immoral and unethical to continue to breed this way. I suppose the same could be said with the desert gene, if its at the point where they have to have surgery to get eggs. Now I don't necessarily know about that, all I know is what is continually spread that they are all infertile or eggbound, whether thats true or not, I do not know.

[MarkS]

One thing I haven't seen asked yet (unless I just missed it) is where does Amir's line of deserts originate from? I'm not sure how many there are, but I understand there are several lines of deserts all originating from separate wild caught founders. Is that correct?

[Sean : EbN]

One thing I haven't seen asked yet (unless I just missed it) is where does Amir's line of deserts originate from? I'm not sure how many there are, but I understand there are several lines of deserts all originating from separate wild caught founders. Is that correct?

Hello old friend

There are two main lines of Desert, the ProExotics and Pete Kahl lines. The ProE line is typically a lot cleaner and brighter than the Pete Kahl line but this isn't always true. Personally I've worked with the Pete Kahl line for many years and I have produced some stellar animals from it. I still admit that generally the ProE line is more attractive. I too would like to know what line of Desert, Amir is working (perhaps both but I just sent him a text but I don't know how long until I get a response)

Here are VERY ACCURATE photos of three different Pastel Deserts that we have produced in the past from the Pete Kahl line...

[Peoples]

Congrats on the clutch excited to see what comes out. Despite all those hounding you as to why you bred her, i say you're making great progress with the gene. We all take risk breeding every year. Congrats again.

[Markus Jayne]

Hello old friend

There are two main lines of Desert, the ProExotics and Pete Kahl lines. The ProE line is typically a lot cleaner and brighter than the Pete Kahl line but this isn't always true. Personally I've worked with the Pete Kahl line for many years and I have produced some stellar animals from it. I still admit that generally the ProE line is more attractive. I too would like to know what line of Desert, Amir is working (perhaps both but I just sent him a text but I don't know how long until I get a response)

Here are VERY ACCURATE photos of three different Pastel Deserts that we have produced in the past from the Pete Kahl line...

Hey Sean! You never disappoint with your posts. Always enlightened by them. Correct me if I am wrong but the Pro Exotics line was originally the Stan Chiras line that Pro Exotics bought out. I obtained my first desert male that was an offspring of a male that came directly from Stan. My second male came from the Kahl line. These represent the only 2 lines I am aware of unless Amir, who is known for obtaining imported stock, has a new line of deserts. I have not caught wind of this so I doubt this is the case.

In regards to other opinions (and I do respect most of them), not breeding desert crosses would have been very short sighted. The world was flat...remember?

I applaud the original poster and I am confident that the snake in question is a citrus pastel desert.