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Re: using sand as a flooring???
 Originally Posted by wilomn
How many babies, and I'm looking for an actual count, does anyone know of, in person, that have died from impaction because of sand?
You'd be surprised.
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Re: using sand as a flooring???
 Originally Posted by TJeno
You'd be surprised.
Doubtful, but that is not an answer to my question. Care to try again?
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Re: using sand as a flooring???
 Originally Posted by eatgoodfood
I guess there is no sand or loose soils in Australia. Or all the bearded dragons must be dying from impaction.
From what I read they live more on packed clay than sand.
My ultimate goal is an Albino Clown Pied.
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Re: using sand as a flooring???
I have 2 beardies and would try to sway you away from sand. I use a indoor/outdoor carpet I have 2 pieces cut for every enclosure (1 inside and 1 replacement). I swap them out every Sunday and boil the one removed in a broiling pan for 5 minutes then store it until the next change out.
Tiles are a great way to radiate heat and easy clean up if they are smooth and grouted right.
Just my 2 cents.
Here is a link to what I use. A few colors available.
http://www.menards.com/main/flooring...600-c-6542.htm
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I work at a vet clinic that sees lots of exotics, and in the year I've been there, I've seen about 15 beardies come in for "not pooping". Every single one of them was on sand, age ranging from juvies to adults. I think all of them were new pets; maybe one had it a year already at most? And these are just the ones that I saw, so who knows about the days I didn't work.
We did enemas on most of them, and every one had a very hard gritty poo that was blocking them up. The ones that we didn't do enemas on was because the Dr. didn't feel a blockage, so we sent them home on meds to help move things along, and I know several of the them passed a similar stool later on when we followed up with the owner. I think 2 of them eventually died because the owners had waited too long to get them seen.
While tile is probably the best option, if you don't want to do that, we recommend using the reptile carpet, having at least two pieces cut to fit so you have a clean one ready to go in. Every time they poo, take it out, wash it in disinfectant, and hang it to dry so that it's ready to go for the next switch out.
The difference between wild BDs and caged ones is that wild ones are not living in pure sand like people put in their enclosures. They're on dirt and clay, with some sand mixed in. Wild BDs are also WAY more active than pet ones, and the extra movement helps things move along.
Last edited by Sita; 04-15-2013 at 08:08 PM.
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Re: using sand as a flooring???
 Originally Posted by Sita
The difference between wild BDs and caged ones is that wild ones are not living in pure sand like people put in their enclosures. They're on dirt and clay, with some sand mixed in. Wild BDs are also WAY more active than pet ones, and the extra movement helps things move along.
And this is one of the issues I've seen with beardies over the years... People tend to keep them in a very sedentary lifestyle which isn't healthy in any way, honestly. They need space to run, climb, hunt, and move. My girl, while in a tank now, gets time out daily where she runs the house, quite literally. If I don't, she'll climb right out and do it on her own. Every beardie I've owned has been on sand and not once have I seen impaction despite my male having the worst aim ever when it came to cricket hunting (think eating mouthfuls of sand). I don't recommend sand for babies as they can be touchy enough without the added possibility of impaction. Yes, in the wild they are on clay with sand but with the right setup and care, it's not nearly as detrimental as many people make it out to be. Then again, most people aren't willing to give their dragon the run of the house either which I can also understand. To me, sand looks nicer and is easier to clean as I sift any poop out right away. If I didn't give her the amount of exercise I do though, I would probably look into tiles which are easy to disinfect and hold heat well. It comes down to how much time and space is your dragon going to get and weigh the pros and cons from there.
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I use linoleum tile and I LOVE IT. It looks awesome,plus when he poops I just wipe it up, spray some disinfectant, and I'm done. Every few months or so I take it out and disinfect the whole thing. My cage is 4'x2' and I got 3 sheets hat cover that area for about 40$ at Home Depot.
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