Any updates on the "Renick"/Mojave gene?

[Chkadii]

After immersing myself in ball python keeping culture and perusing morphs for hours at a time, I've fallen hard for reduced pattern mojaves. My dream rack would have either a Gold Blush or a Renick. (Heck, it's a dream rack. It'd have both!)

In a 2006 thread, Ben told us to stay tuned for the "Renick" gene, which he was working on isolating. He also took the "Renick" mojaves off the market for the time being, which is understandable but heartbreaking.

Has anyone heard or seen any updates since then? I'm eagerly anticipating Ben's big reveal, though I'm anxious over the possibility that the people who bought the $1200 mojaves will have practically stolen them, now that Ben will have an idea of how powerful the gene is and what it's true value should be.

[Ben_Renick]

I'll be updating on this in a little over 65-70 days. I've done quite a few combos with the Renick gene in the 2012 season, I'm just wanting to see some things prior to posting, but luckily a lot of my first ovulations this year are for this project.

[Pythonfriend]

i would first wait for evidence that its genetic before even considering to get it.


with line-breeding, you can get reduced pattern anything. You can also make it lighter or darker or get a more busy pattern. But whatever you do with multi-gene linebreeding, take your fancied-up codominant into a recessive project and 75% of that will be gone. if you breed it to albino to make hets and then breed to a different albino, you get your codominant into albino, but your albino mojave will have 75% genetics from the albino project.

suggestion: enchi mojave? i mean, if you like clean and reduced pattern, why not an enchi mojave? That will for sure work, no matter what project you breed it into.

ill be convinced about that renick-gene when i see normal renick balls, the super form, and a few combos, like pastel renick, mojave renick, cinnamon renick, pinstripe renick.... You get the idea.

[Annarose15]

ill be convinced about that renick-gene when i see normal renick balls, the super form, and a few combos, like pastel renick, mojave renick, cinnamon renick, pinstripe renick.... You get the idea.

It sounds from Ben's post like this is exactly what he's waiting on to hatch. And as cool as reduction genes are (like enchi), the Renick mojo looks a LOT different from a mochi, so I'm excited to see how/if it reacts with other genes and alone.

[Pythonfriend]

It sounds from Ben's post like this is exactly what he's waiting on to hatch. And as cool as reduction genes are (like enchi), the Renick mojo looks a LOT different from a mochi, so I'm excited to see how/if it reacts with other genes and alone.

Sounds awesome, im all for that if it reacts to mojave but not really to other morphs, the next step would be obvious: Assume its maybe in the BEL gene complex, so try: lesser/butter, mocha, mystic/phantom, het russo, special, het daddy.

im simple when it comes to new morphs: seeing is believing. a super and two combos and im converted

[Chkadii]

Thanks for the ETA, Ben! I'm really looking forward to the results.

i would first wait for evidence that its genetic before even considering to get it.


with line-breeding, you can get reduced pattern anything. You can also make it lighter or darker or get a more busy pattern. But whatever you do with multi-gene linebreeding, take your fancied-up codominant into a recessive project and 75% of that will be gone. if you breed it to albino to make hets and then breed to a different albino, you get your codominant into albino, but your albino mojave will have 75% genetics from the albino project.

suggestion: enchi mojave? i mean, if you like clean and reduced pattern, why not an enchi mojave? That will for sure work, no matter what project you breed it into.

ill be convinced about that renick-gene when i see normal renick balls, the super form, and a few combos, like pastel renick, mojave renick, cinnamon renick, pinstripe renick.... You get the idea.

You have a valid point in regards to line breeding. I'm afraid my infatuation with these lines (or combos, if there is a confirmed "Renick" gene at play) was much more short-sighted than breeding plans. I'd be thrilled just having one to enjoy, regardless of genetic potential.

I'm not breeding anything yet, so this is a moot point for now (at least, for me personally), but assuming the snakes are all quality, I'd rather have a reduced pattern single-gene individual that may throw typically-patterned offspring over a typically-patterned single-gene individual that will probably throw typically-patterned offspring.

In regards to the mochi suggestion, if the "Renick" gene is proven it'd serve the same purpose as the enchi gene in the sense that it'd be an additional gene reducing patterns- at least as far as mojaves are concerned. If the "Renick" is a dominant or co-dom gene, wouldn't the odds of passing on the visually reduced pattern be the same as the odds of passing on the mojave gene itself in that case? Assuming it behaves similarly with other morphs, that is.

That said, I understand your caution with genes unproven as of yet (at least publicly), and I appreciate the warning about the chances of consistently passing on reduced patterns from single-gene individuals.

[Ben_Renick]

i would first wait for evidence that its genetic before even considering to get it.


with line-breeding, you can get reduced pattern anything. You can also make it lighter or darker or get a more busy pattern. But whatever you do with multi-gene linebreeding, take your fancied-up codominant into a recessive project and 75% of that will be gone. if you breed it to albino to make hets and then breed to a different albino, you get your codominant into albino, but your albino mojave will have 75% genetics from the albino project.

suggestion: enchi mojave? i mean, if you like clean and reduced pattern, why not an enchi mojave? That will for sure work, no matter what project you breed it into.

ill be convinced about that renick-gene when i see normal renick balls, the super form, and a few combos, like pastel renick, mojave renick, cinnamon renick, pinstripe renick.... You get the idea.

It's genetic, I've isolated the gene, I have produced quite a few base Renicks and combos in the meantime, BUT I am waiting to show a lot of it until I have the clutches I want to see hatch first. It actually does not reduce everything like it did the reduced Mojave Renick combo I've shown, other Renick Mojaves are not quite as reduced, still express the gene, just not as reduced. I'll be updating a thread of Renick stuff this year after I find a couple more things out... But I will say it does not reduce everything, in fact it has proven to do the opposite in a couple combos I've produced. Don't want to spoil any surprises though.