Sterling ball or Pewter Ball

[RoseyReps]

I understand quite well. You HAD doubts which is what I have consistently stated. THEN you contacted the breeder and got a guarantee. Sweet. But you failed to mention any of this to the buyer. That is where you were dishonest in my book.

If I got in an accident tomorrow, and my car got messed up, and I had it repaired...say I thought the repairs were a bit off, so I decide to get a guarantee from my well known mechanic. Then I decide to sell the car. Would any decent, honest person, not tell the next buyer about the accident AND the resolution/guarantee?

Smh.....I see people still don't know how to comprehend....my past doubts were premature and then laid to rest by getting confirmation that is was a sterling. So I moved forward with no doubts. And as for me throwing a tanturm, I did no such thing......I tried to provide my proof of the situation, but was still being disrepected and called a liar. So you're damn right I got angry......Anyone who in their heart truly believes they are right, yet libelous comments and lies about their character are still being made, would feel some type of way as well. I'll be every name in the book but I will not be a crook, a liar, or a cheat......There are a couple other name in there that I won't be, but they have no baring on this subject

Yet I'm the one with the reading comprehension issue?

Hello everyone, sorry for the delay in response but I was just informed of this situation recently and wanted to see what I could do to help out. The show that this trade would of happened at would of been a very long time ago when the ball python was much smaller (a hatchling) and they do change with age/size so we are trying to find pictures of it when it was smaller. The animal was not produced by me, it was produced by Mark Haas, who has been notified about the animal and is trying to locate pictures of it when it was smaller. It can be difficult to handle a situation like this, especially when this amount of time has passed and the animal has gone through several hands, so please try to be patient. I will try my best to make sure that this situation gets clarified and will see what the original breeder wants to do. If the main parties involved want to get in contact with me then they are more than welcome to. Thanks!!!
Adam Chesla
reptimalsss@yahoo.com
754-264-1591

So adam was not the original breeder either...damn I feel bad for him having to deal with this cluster...

[RoseyReps]

To reiterate ...

Just because your doubts were eased, does not mean you should have withheld the information "omitting the truth" to your buyer.

That. Is. Shady.

You should have told your customer EVERYTHING from the get go. INCLUDING that your doubts were erased because of guarantees from multiple good guys. Thus letting them form their own opinion on subject before committing.

Own up to your screw up, or keep on shoveling. Matters not to me

[supertiger retics]

Adam that email was spot on brother, and I make this post for no one but myself, as this whole deal has given me a migraine....I know there are those who I've put off with some of my posts and that's fine by me, but I apologize anyway for them......It's just hard when your passionate about something you've been doing for 22 years, then people start calling you shady and dishonest, and you believe what you are saying is the truth. Rosey, you are correct and I should've mentioned any early doubts, however premature they may have been......Given my excitement about my future breedings, and the fact that they were put at ease, I honestly didn't think they would be prudent. It's not that I purposely withheld that I just didn't think they were valid.

[Royal Hijinx]

Whether or not it is a Sterling has be become of little consequence in the end. It is how things have been handled by both parties.

What it seems is that there was information omitted in the deal that could have saved a lot of trouble, but more importantly is the the uncovering of the blatant flipping of the snakes.

There are procedures that reputable resellers follow that do not seem to be going on here. This poor animal is just getting passed on and on and on.

Also, both of you have burned a lot of bridges with the public in two ways:

1. How you handle conflict and/or dissatisfied customers
2. Your blatant poor choices for potential breeding stock. Quality in = quality out. IMO this snake should never have been considered for a breeding program. If it is a Sterling it is pet quality at best. Any time you have to question the genetics, the snake is not a great example and should not be used as breeding stock. People wonder why markets get flooded with poor examples, and this is exactly why. Even the nicest parents throw a off hatchling now and again, and IMO only the best from the clutches should be future breeders. But I digress...

Either way, not a chance I do business with either of you in the future. That may not matter to you, but I am sure I am not the only one that feels that way.

[supertiger retics]

Whether or not it is a Sterling has be become of little consequence in the end. It is how things have been handled by both parties.

What it seems is that there was information omitted in the deal that could have saved a lot of trouble, but more importantly is the the uncovering of the blatant flipping of the snakes.

There are procedures that reputable resellers follow that do not seem to be going on here. This poor animal is just getting passed on and on and on.

Also, both of you have burned a lot of bridges with the public in two ways:

1. How you handle conflict and/or dissatisfied customers
2. Your blatant poor choices for potential breeding stock. Quality in = quality out. IMO this snake should never have been considered for a breeding program. If it is a Sterling it is pet quality at best. Any time you have to question the genetics, the snake is not a great example and should not be used as breeding stock. People wonder why markets get flooded with poor examples, and this is exactly why. Even the nicest parents throw a off hatchling now and again, and IMO only the best from the clutches should be future breeders. But I digress...

Either way, not a chance I do business with either of you in the future. That may not matter to you, but I am sure I am not the only one that feels that way.

I've already stated the genes I wanted to work with this season, and clearly stated that the sterling never fitted any of my breeding programs

[RoseyReps]

Adam that email was spot on brother, and I make this post for no one but myself, as this whole deal has given me a migraine....I know there are those who I've put off with some of my posts and that's fine by me, but I apologize anyway for them......It's just hard when your passionate about something you've been doing for 22 years, then people start calling you shady and dishonest, and you believe what you are saying is the truth. Rosey, you are correct and I should've mentioned any early doubts, however premature they may have been......Given my excitement about my future breedings, and the fact that they were put at ease, I honestly didn't think they would be prudent. It's not that I purposely withheld that I just didn't think they were valid.

This, is a good step in the right direction. I am sure you felt like you were thrown to the wwolves, and began lashing out as such. We all are very passionate about this community and the hobby. As such, we all tend to get hot under the collar when it seems like someone seems to be causing harm to it (dishonesty, scamming, etc). I will also apologize, to you, for my jabs.

In my opinion, you did not intentionally scam anyone, just made a bad business move that blew up to epic proportions. My general advice to you would be this:
Take a breather, and lay low for a little while on the selling market. Let this settle and fade into the background. For future dealings, I would generally suggest you try and avoid "flipping" animals. (Getting an animal and quickly selling it/trading it off) as that is usually frowned upon. If you feel you're in a position that you need to sell a new acquisition quickly, just be up front about it. Let the customer know it has only been with you so long, who you got it from, etc. Again, this is just my opinion, I'm just trying to help you step up from this mess and come out better for it.

[nimblykimbly]

Adam that email was spot on brother, and I make this post for no one but myself, as this whole deal has given me a migraine....I know there are those who I've put off with some of my posts and that's fine by me, but I apologize anyway for them......It's just hard when your passionate about something you've been doing for 22 years, then people start calling you shady and dishonest, and you believe what you are saying is the truth. Rosey, you are correct and I should've mentioned any early doubts, however premature they may have been......Given my excitement about my future breedings, and the fact that they were put at ease, I honestly didn't think they would be prudent. It's not that I purposely withheld that I just didn't think they were valid.

Thank you for apologizing.


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[Mike41793]

I still see a pewter until Mark Haas comes here and posts. Unless both parents had super pastel genes I refuse to believe thats a sterling.

[Rob]

he is a sterling, and hes mine, and yes i am putting him up as a sterling, My buisness, my snake. I can do whatever i want to with it.

If its a sterling, why are you so fast to flip it on cl?

[carlson]

Rob that picture makes me happy after reading ten pages of this. I hope it all gets straightened out poor snake gets passed around like a lady of the night in a biker bar