stacking system

[dr del]

Hi,

Okay, maybe this is just me, but personally but i do not like stacking systems. What kind of life is your snake having in a small box. I mean sure they are warm but they no room to do anything.. and this doesnt just go for snakes, this goes for geckos and beardies as well. If you want to breed then okay, thats fine. But having full growns in there in my personal opinion, isnt okay. If you want a lot of snakes then colonize in a big tank. Like i said, maybe this is just me but i wanted to see what everyone elses opinions were.

Then don't use them.

You are definitely entitled to have, and share, your opinion - as long as you respect the fact that others have the same right.

For many species colonies in a large enclosure will reduce the animals quality of life rather than enhance it. I have done it in the past and will not be going back to multiple animals in one large enclosure.


dr del

[Griffith]

I think the misconception you may have is that we do it for OUR ease of keeping, when in fact it really is done for the animal quality of life.

[Lesserlove]

A couple months ago I got my first rack system and switched all my snakes from glass tanks to the rack. Only one out of the five snakes I had would ever use his entire enclosure (It was one of those zilla 40g wide tanks). All the other ones would stay in their hides. However, my lesser that seemed to ... I suppose "enjoy" his enclosure did have the most natural set up out of all of them. He had two javawood hides & a crap ton of artificial plants along with peat & Sphagnum moss & a stone water bowl. (I was a little nuts over him because he started it all lol) I used to feel that way to. That rack systems were cruel. But It was getting difficult to maintain humidity and the right heat for all of them & for most of them the space was excessive. So I caved and got the rack & I love it. All of them go through perfect sheds every time & the heat and humidity are extremly stable. They seem comfortable, & Harry (my first) still gets his enrichment by getting to go outside in the summer or hang out downstairs with me lol.

So idk to me it the racks are a win win for both owner and snake because it does increase ease of cleaning & care and for the snake it creates stability & security.

But if you have a snake like my Harry then a medium sized showcase cage with crazy amounts of foliage & hides for them to feel secure like they would in the rack would be cool to; for my other snakes it would just be a waste of money.

[Hartman3216]

Racks are perfect for most species that are kept in them. If the conditions weren't ideal for the animals you breed, you will have stressed animals and poor breeders. There's no way the big breeders that do this for a living would keep their animals in less than ideal conditions and get where they are at.

The idea that snakes and other reptiles should be kept in large glass enclosures with a bunch of decorations is basically propaganda generated by the pet store trade. It's a great way to turn a $100.00 reptile purchase into a $300.00 purchase in a hurry.

95% of his time is in the left hide (where he's at in the photo). The other 5% is in the hide on the right. If I knew then what I know now I would have never bought the glass cage and just bought a rack right away......C'MON HARTMAN!!!

[Pickle]

Well do you guys put anything in there with them like.. a hide or.. anything. I dont know. . Maybe i am just being closed off to the idea, i love my snakes and their tank set ups. My little girl is always in her hide but my full grown girl is sooooo active, it would just feel mean to me. I however have never heard that colonizing would stress them out. And with the whole bearded dragon thing, i dont think you can ever have enough space for them.

[Hartman3216]

I have three hides and a water bowl in each

[dr del]

I used hides with a couple of them at the start but since I use newspaper for a substrate they can go under that and have it touch them on all sides ( which makes them feel secure ) without there being any need to adjust anything as they grow.

The main idea is really that the whole rub becomes their "hide" so they can select the temp they want to be without having to feel exposed at any point.

I've never tried a rack with lizards though so can't speak to that.


dr del

[carlson]

I just started using racks with my four girls gotta build a male one and get some more males now ha. I started out thinking you need the big tanks too but came around to the racks after learning about them and I like them lot more, keeps everything nice and stable and is easier to clean.

[771subliminal]

Look at this in a differant way. Bps dont climb and couldnt care less about having a high ceiling. If you look at the most common size of tank and tubs used if you get rid of the height it only comes down to floor space. The tubs that we use have simular if not more floor space. Tubs just are not as pretty for us to look at but then we dont live in them.

15 gal tank 24 ¼" wide X 12 ½" deep X 12 ¾" high 303 sq in of floor space
25 gal tank 24 ¼" wide X 12 ½" deep X 20 ¾" high 303 sq in of floor space

41 qt tub 34 7/8" wide X 16 5/8" deep X 6 1/8" high 579 sq in of floor space
28 qt tub 23" wide x 16 ¼" deep x 6" high 373 sq in of floor space

[Kodieh]

Look at this in a differant way. Bps dont climb and couldnt care less about having a high ceiling. If you look at the most common size of tank and tubs used if you get rid of the height it only comes down to floor space. The tubs that we use have simular if not more floor space. Tubs just are not as pretty for us to look at but then we dont live in them.

15 gal tank 24 ¼" wide X 12 ½" deep X 12 ¾" high 303 sq in of floor space
25 gal tank 24 ¼" wide X 12 ½" deep X 20 ¾" high 303 sq in of floor space

41 qt tub 34 7/8" wide X 16 5/8" deep X 6 1/8" high 579 sq in of floor space
28 qt tub 23" wide x 16 ¼" deep x 6" high 373 sq in of floor space

Wrong, my first bp climb when I gave him branches to do so. Also, skiploader to provided research showing birds being a big part of wild bp diet.

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