is it ok to keep live mice and snakes in the same room?

[Andrew21]

If you are a larger scale breeder like myself it is not right to keep the rats in the same room.The snake room is kept at a range in the 80 to 85 degrees room temperature (day) and 60% to 70% humidity these parameters are uncomfortable for us humans just after a few minutes in the room. Rats, like us prefer cooler temperatures and lower humidity. Actually no mammal would be comfortable in the snake room. The rat room is kept at 72 to 75 degrees with a 20% to 30% humidity, these parameters do not even overlap those required for ball pythons. About it affecting the feeding response I am out of that discussion and I will keep that opinion to myself since it is my recent experience that this forum is full of uneducated people that have no idea as to how to carry a conversation politely, not to mention all the "experts" that seem to know it all. I do not claim to be an expert I have been doing this for 35 years and I am still learning but I've picked a few things here and there throughout the years.

No one said anything about the temperatures of a room. I'm pretty sure there are mammals everywhere that has snakes...so yes there are mammals that would be perfectly comfortable in that kind of enviroment. You calling this forum full of uneducated people is really polite. You set a good example.

Fyi...People like Wilomn might not know it ALL, but I'm sure he is closer than you..

[eskye]

I had a ratsnake escape today through mesh that came apart, and I handily found him wrapped around my ASF breeding bin. I haven't had any personality changes or differences in feeding since having them in the same room, and it seems like it's pretty handy to keep them in the snake room if they get out, hah! He was just gunning for those rats.

[satomi325]

If you are a larger scale breeder like myself it is not right to keep the rats in the same room.The snake room is kept at a range in the 80 to 85 degrees room temperature (day) and 60% to 70% humidity these parameters are uncomfortable for us humans just after a few minutes in the room. Rats, like us prefer cooler temperatures and lower humidity. Actually no mammal would be comfortable in the snake room. The rat room is kept at 72 to 75 degrees with a 20% to 30% humidity, these parameters do not even overlap those required for ball pythons. About it affecting the feeding response I am out of that discussion and I will keep that opinion to myself since it is my recent experience that this forum is full of uneducated people that have no idea as to how to carry a conversation politely, not to mention all the "experts" that seem to know it all. I do not claim to be an expert I have been doing this for 35 years and I am still learning but I've picked a few things here and there throughout the years.

Thank you for your genuine interest!!!
Louie

Note to everyone: I am open for an adult civilized discussions if you can not carry a discussion in such a way you will be placed in my ignore list.

I can see your point if you do indeed breed on such a large scale.
But most people who occupy this forum are not. Can I assume that you just heat the room with no individual hot spots for the snakes?

I am not a large scale breeder. Just a hobbiest. My observations are based on personal experience as well as many other small scale breeders. I also don't heat my room to 85 as I don't need to. The snakes all get the proper heating and temp gradient in their rack(flexwatt). And as I do keep other mammalian species in the same room as the snakes, the room is set to 75. Ferrets do very poorly in warm temps.

The point I'm trying to say is that the OP was asking if they could house their mice in the same room. I am going to assume that they most likely do not heat their rooms specifically for the snakes. So if they have ~70-75, then it is acceptable to house the mice in that room.

Perhaps if you provided more detail in your initial post about why feeders should not be housed in the same room as snakes then it would have been more clear to us that in certain circumstances, housing feeders in the same room as snakes is not appropriate. (I.E. included the room temp or other housing requirements)

Everyone here is still learning. And I find it quite rude for you to call us uneducated. If you find our knowledge inferior, please try to remedy that and share your experience. If we can all benefit from it, I urge you to post more often and participate in thread discussions. After all, this forum is about learning and sharing our passion for ball pythons.


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[enchinoman]

Do you have REALLY small feet and a REALLY shiny dome? You sure write like you do.

No, I do not as a matter of fact I wear 10.5 shoes and a full head of hair! My writing is a reflection of my education not my physical attributes. By you calling me a person with really small feet and a really shinny dome you are reflecting your education and manners. I have no idea how you look like but if I were to judge you by your writing skills like you judged me I get an image of the kind of person you are inside. By being an "ADMIN" you are representing BP.net and therefore you must conduct yourself with the highest degree of decorum. I believe that your personal attack and speech is intended to cause a "flame war" or personal vendetta. Therefore you are in violation of SITE RULE number 3. No Hate Speak. This includes, but is not limited to: cursing; threats of violence; racial, gender, religious, or sexual slurs; personal attacks; and speech intended to cause or further a "flame war" or personal vendetta. This includes vindictive use of the Reputation System and Private Messages. I strongly advise you not to contact me anymore or reply to any of my present or future posts.

[Andrew21]

No, I do not as a matter of fact I wear 10.5 shoes and a full head of hair! My writing is a reflection of my education not my physical attributes. By you calling me a person with really small feet and a really shinny dome you are reflecting your education and manners. I have no idea how you look like but if I were to judge you by your writing skills like you judged me I get an image of the kind of person you are inside. By being an "ADMIN" you are representing BP.net and therefore you must conduct yourself with the highest degree of decorum. I believe that your personal attack and speech is intended to cause a "flame war" or personal vendetta. Therefore you are in violation of SITE RULE number 3. No Hate Speak. This includes, but is not limited to: cursing; threats of violence; racial, gender, religious, or sexual slurs; personal attacks; and speech intended to cause or further a "flame war" or personal vendetta. This includes vindictive use of the Reputation System and Private Messages. I strongly advise you not to contact me anymore or reply to any of my present or future posts.

Quit acting like you run the place. He's not even an admin. By being a "new member" you should stop telling people what to do. Shocker that some people get offended when you call them uneducated.

[satomi325]

My writing is a reflection of my education

I suppose that means you missed the Comma lesson in grade school then??


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[wilomn]

No, I do not as a matter of fact I wear 10.5 shoes and a full head of hair! My writing is a reflection of my education not my physical attributes. By you calling me a person with really small feet and a really shinny dome you are reflecting your education and manners. I have no idea how you look like but if I were to judge you by your writing skills like you judged me I get an image of the kind of person you are inside. By being an "ADMIN" you are representing BP.net and therefore you must conduct yourself with the highest degree of decorum. I believe that your personal attack and speech is intended to cause a "flame war" or personal vendetta. Therefore you are in violation of SITE RULE number 3. No Hate Speak. This includes, but is not limited to: cursing; threats of violence; racial, gender, religious, or sexual slurs; personal attacks; and speech intended to cause or further a "flame war" or personal vendetta. This includes vindictive use of the Reputation System and Private Messages. I strongly advise you not to contact me anymore or reply to any of my present or future posts.

Hopefully your observational skills will improve. And just because I made an implication, which you then took and ran all over the yard with, does not in any way qualify as hate speech, you wuss. Buck up, grow up, and quit falling for the easy ones. You should judge me by what I write. Then you should wonder why YOU fell for it so easily.

Now, behave yourself before I actually start paying attention to your drivel.

[decensored]

Lol for a "large scale breeder," You don't have a good PR attitude..

Walking around with your nose in the air, among potential buyers sounds like a bad business plan IMO.

There's a level of humble humility you must have in order to earn respect within the community. Your new to the site so you might not understand this, but this forum is full of members that are very influential within their own local communities. If you choose to post, than you can expect a response, whether it's positive or negative. The nature of the forum is to debate, especially in a thread based on experience.

You can't blame people for knocking you down a level when you show up out of the blue and act like the king of reptiles. Then kick your feet and ramble off site rules when people call you out on your nonsense. If you don't like where the conversation is going than don't participate, that's the adult action to take. Defending yourself is pointless, the damage is done and you keep digging yourself further into a hole by continuing. Especially to tell someone they can no longer post in response to your posts. That's ridiculous. You have a block option for members that you do not want to see in the forum, and I suggest you use it if you feel so inclined, but to tell people they cannot comment anymore on a topic is very incorrect.

Just some friendly advice to think about.

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With that said however, there really is no need to for name calling..
It's sad to see how many threads lately have been veering completely off topic, and turning into a pissing match.

I think we've reached a consensus on this topic.