Spider x Spider Combos and Wobble

[OctagonGecko729]

Hello all,

I was wondering what you alls opinions and experiences are on breeding spider x spider combos were? Is it generally a bad idea? Does it increase the wobble?

We are just now getting into BPs this year and our plan was the following:

Killer Bee Male x Enchi Lesser Female
x Bumble Bee Female
x Enchi Bumble Bee Female
x Pastel Calico Female

We would then hold back the best out of that and cross half siblings.

From everything I have read so far, this is o-k. From my understanding spider x spider does not matter much as the wobble is random and decreasing the gene pool does not seem to add to worse wobble. Also I have heard that taking parent to offspring is ok for 1-2 generations but past that it is not ok. Therefore taking half siblings together for a single generation would not be a problem.

Thanks,

-Chris

[melly911]

get ready for a debate of some sort. i would do those pairings though. just my input

[Lthv]

Have you considered a lemon blast instead of the bumblebee? Aiming for killer blasts super blast and killer bee instead of just killer bees?

[h00blah]

Killer Bee Male x Enchi Lesser Female
x Bumble Bee Female
x Enchi Bumble Bee Female
x Pastel Calico Female

We would then hold back the best out of that and cross half siblings.

Have you considered a lemon blast instead of the bumblebee? Aiming for killer blasts super blast and killer bee instead of just killer bees?

X2. My pairings next year look similar with some slight differences.

I'm doing Enchi Lesser x Pinstripe to hope for an Enchi Kingpin male to pair with my ladies who will probably be big enough. Then my pairings will look like:

Enchi Kingpin (or my Enchi Lesser as backup, or if I don't get the male I want)
x Killerbee
x Calico
x Enchi

I really want something with pinstripe to pair with the Killerbee. Any spinnerblast+ combo is what I'm aiming for. Enchi, Calico, etc. Doing spider x spider isn't something I would do. Not for any worry of producing something that won't survive... Or because I'm afraid of a wobble... But for the same reason I wouldn't do pinstripe x pinstripe. Waste of an extra gene if you ask me . Might as well put something that mixes well with what's already there. Spider x Pinstripe is a no-brainer to me. Leopard x Spider is the other pattern pairing I would do .

[Jay_Bunny]

I see no problem with breeding spider to spider. Since the wobble varies so much from snake to snake, the severity of the wobble is not really genetic. I have a spider male (mild wobble) who's spinner offspring has moderate wobble (he still eats and lives normally. He just gets a bit loopy if he's startled or gets too excited). I also bred a female spider with only a head tilt and her offspring have yet to display a wobble (though I do not doubt they will develop something in their life time).

I have heard of spiders with "no wobble" (all spiders have some degree of a wobble) producing babies with severe wobbles and individuals with moderate to severe wobbles producing spiders with mild wobbles. There really is no way to tell what the severity of the wobble will be. I would say breeding spider to spider is safe and I plan on doing it sometime in the future.

[The Serpent Merchant]

There really isn't any problem with breeding spider x spider. It just isn't the most productive since there aren't any homozygous spiders.

[OctagonGecko729]

X2. My pairings next year look similar with some slight differences.

I'm doing Enchi Lesser x Pinstripe to hope for an Enchi Kingpin male to pair with my ladies who will probably be big enough. Then my pairings will look like:

Enchi Kingpin (or my Enchi Lesser as backup, or if I don't get the male I want)
x Killerbee
x Calico
x Enchi

I really want something with pinstripe to pair with the Killerbee. Any spinnerblast+ combo is what I'm aiming for. Enchi, Calico, etc. Doing spider x spider isn't something I would do. Not for any worry of producing something that won't survive... Or because I'm afraid of a wobble... But for the same reason I wouldn't do pinstripe x pinstripe. Waste of an extra gene if you ask me . Might as well put something that mixes well with what's already there. Spider x Pinstripe is a no-brainer to me. Leopard x Spider is the other pattern pairing I would do .

I do like the pinstripe x spider stuff but we already have the bumble bee female. She is actually my girlfriends animal, she wanted to get a BP for a few years now and so I just went ahead and got her one since she liked bumblebees so much. Of course, once we had a snake in the house I got hooked, and now we are buying 3 gene animals . I understand that the spider gene is dominant and that there is no super form but the reason for crossing the killer bee with the enchi bumble bee was to increase the odds at hitting an enchi killer bee. Basically all of my spider x spider crosses are simply there to increase the odds of hitting that prized animal from that pairing.

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Just by the way, we currently own the bumble bee female and the enchi lesser female. We have the enchi bumble bee on a payment plan at the moment. Once I'm done with the enchi bumble bee payments I will start looking for a pastel calico female.