In the nude! what do you think?

[King's Royal Pythons]

I'll keep my opinion short and to the point...
I like a sturdy girl; I'm 6'4" and about 250 lbs...I might break a skinny girl.

[wilomn]

For the record, I do prefer slender women. However, I have seriously dated women who weren't, women who were as tall as I am, 6ft, and veritable midgets, 4'10", heavy and not so much.

A confident woman, size not withstanding, is far more attractive than one who questions her worth based on her looks.

The advice I give my offspring, as well as anyone who wants it, is to totally ignore EVERYONE and make up your own mind about how you feel about yourself.

I'm a bit on the fat side, I work out, am stronger and in better shape than I look and don't give a rat's patootie what anyone else thinks of me. I know I'm a good guy on the inside and were I looking for a steady, it would be important for me to see in someone I wanted a relationship with regardless of whether she was tall, short, heavy, thin or any colour of the rainbow. I may be genetically hardwired to look for certain attributes, but I am also a thinking man who is capable of making my own decisions based solely on my own feelings and totally disregarding what anyone else says I should think.

The standards set by society and the media are a crock. Real women rock. I'll take a real chick over a plasticine model every time.

[Mike41793]

I'll keep my opinion short and to the point...
I like a sturdy girl; I'm 6'4" and about 250 lbs...I might break a skinny girl.

Sorry but this reminded me of rocky IV.

"I must break you." lmao

[Raptor]

This imo, is a perfect example of how NOT to live. I'm a small girl. 5'3, 105lbs. By no means "curvy". I used to have a low self esteem like I am assuming you do (I apologize if my assumption is incorrect, but your demeanor in your posts have been that of someone who doesn't find worth in themselves)

Lol. You're not tiny. I'm tiny. I'm 4'11" and a little over 80 pounds. I have zero curves, in fact, I'm built like boy that hasn't hit puberty. Bony? That too. No, I don't have much. Even as a child I didn't. What little I manage to scrape up tends to get obliterated by my family.

I'll be 100% honest here, I did have a low self esteem with my first husband. He told me every day how I was lucky to have him, and how no one else would be interested in me. After hearing that for 4 years you start to believe it. When I finally woke up and left him, I did a lot of soul searching. (mind you, mostly in the form of bar hopping and excessive partying..) Anyways, I realized there where a whole slew of men who would be happy to have me. (no I don't mean like THAT...I mean guys interested in me and dating etc ) My self esteem started to come back up and I felt great. Then I met my husband Bill, and from that moment on my self esteem was much higher. I felt good about myself. I discussed it with him, and I went and got breast implants a while after having my second kiddo. It was a mommy's day present to myself, and though Bill didn't want me to do it, he knew it would make me feel that much better about myself. I didn't do it because I thought guys would like it more, I did it because it's what I wanted. It's what I wanted to see when I looked in the mirror, and I really don't give a hoot what others think. I didn't go crazy, and people who didn't know me pre op are super surprised when/if they find out. Does this make me a bad person and fake? Well, not to me. It might to you, or people in general, but honestly, I don't care. I am who I am, and as long as I'm happy with what I see in the mirror, I will not let anyone bring me down. Never again.

I get told fairly often by my mother that the only way anyone will be interested in me is if I wear make up and completely change my wardrobe ("no one is interested in a woman that wears boys clothing" nevermind that's the only thing that fits me). This was further driven home at christmas when I was given nothing but makeup. Which I've only touched once for an awards ceremony.

If you are unhappy with yourself, fix it. Don't let other people tell you what men want, in the end, who cares what men want. I care what I want, and I found a man who wants that too. Woot! When you are happy with yourself, you shine. Whether you're 100lbs, or 300lbs. You SHINE. Confidence and self esteem are worth more than anything. After all, how can you expect to love another, when you can't even love yourself? (I know I stole that line from somewhere, but I can't remember...so...whoops)

Well, I'm not going to get taller and I can't stand heels in the least bit, so that's not going to change. I once dyed my hair green because it made me happy. When I was done, I was told by a family member to "come here so I can see how ugly you are". Love is really a strong word. I'm really only interested in companionship since I don't really have a wide range of emotions.

And Raptor, this whole reply wasn't meant directly at you. It's just your comments about devolving, and getting kicked to the curb metaphorically, reminded me so much of something I would have said 6 years ago...
Yes, looks are important. To a degree. They are the first impression. That doesn't mean that one type looks better than another, that is all based entirely on opinion. Looks are the cover of the book, they get your attention, but what's on the inside is what keeps your gaze and gets you to keep turning pages.

Then I'm up a metaphorical crap creek. I'm not that great on the outside, and the inside, well, that's enough to scare some people.

[wilomn]

Lol. You're not tiny. I'm tiny. I'm 4'11" and a little over 80 pounds. I have zero curves, in fact, I'm built like boy that hasn't hit puberty. Bony? That too. No, I don't have much. Even as a child I didn't. What little I manage to scrape up tends to get obliterated by my family.



I get told fairly often by my mother that the only way anyone will be interested in me is if I wear make up and completely change my wardrobe ("no one is interested in a woman that wears boys clothing" nevermind that's the only thing that fits me). This was further driven home at christmas when I was given nothing but makeup. Which I've only touched once for an awards ceremony.



Well, I'm not going to get taller and I can't stand heels in the least bit, so that's not going to change. I once dyed my hair green because it made me happy. When I was done, I was told by a family member to "come here so I can see how ugly you are". Love is really a strong word. I'm really only interested in companionship since I don't really have a wide range of emotions.



Then I'm up a metaphorical crap creek. I'm not that great on the outside, and the inside, well, that's enough to scare some people.

I've been around a couple of blocks more than a couple of times. Do what makes you happy and sooner or later you'll find someone to compliment that. The trick is knowing that someone when opportunity knocks. Stay strong and confident. One of my exes, with whom I parted on good terms, was literally 4'10". If I turned around without looking I could knock her over without trying. There really is someone for everyone.

[RoseyReps]

Raptor,
Throw the make up away. Dye your hair green and wear whatever the hell you want. I didn't mean fix it as in do things that other people think help. Do things to fix you for yourself. Your family saying those things is not a good place to be. As others have stated, there is compainionship for everyone. My husband and I own a little local hole in the wall bar. There is this girl that comes in, and she is about 4'8 4'10 Max. She is, by far, the life of the place when she comes in. She runs around and goofs off having a great time, she has purple hair, wears boyish clothes and turns every head in our place. She sings karaoke and people love to pick her up randomly. She is freaking awesome. She...sounds a lot like you. If you could get past what the people around you are saying...and I know that's hard.. but surround yourself with positive people. It takes time, but you can build that confidence. Being short is a pain, but it has it's perks. Like asking tall guys to help you reach the top shelf I wish you were close to us. I would love to introduce you to her and take you out with people who won't tell you how you should dress etc.

Oh, and I hate make up. I only wear it maybe 3-4 times a year at most. I prefer my boots (20+ year old dingos) to any heels I own. Do and wear what makes you feel good.

[youbeyouibei]

Raptor,
Throw the make up away. Dye your hair green and wear whatever the hell you want. I didn't mean fix it as in do things that other people think help. Do things to fix you for yourself. Your family saying those things is not a good place to be. As others have stated, there is compainionship for everyone. My husband and I own a little local hole in the wall bar. There is this girl that comes in, and she is about 4'8 4'10 Max. She is, by far, the life of the place when she comes in. She runs around and goofs off having a great time, she has purple hair, wears boyish clothes and turns every head in our place. She sings karaoke and people love to pick her up randomly. She is freaking awesome. She...sounds a lot like you. If you could get past what the people around you are saying...and I know that's hard.. but surround yourself with positive people. It takes time, but you can build that confidence. Being short is a pain, but it has it's perks. Like asking tall guys to help you reach the top shelf I wish you were close to us. I would love to introduce you to her and take you out with people who won't tell you how you should dress etc.

Oh, and I hate make up. I only wear it maybe 3-4 times a year at most. I prefer my boots (20+ year old dingos) to any heels I own. Do and wear what makes you feel good.

x2 to this, for anyone, Raptor as well. Been there and done that as far as listening to the negativity people can try to force feed you, especially family. I wrote most of mine off and couldn't be happier. Find your fireteam; the people or person who will go to the gates of Hell with you and back, no questions asked, who will share in the filet mignon times and the pork and bean times both and support you the same throughout it. Basically find the people that love you for YOU, family or not and like RoseyReps said, that starts with loving and accepting yourself for who you are & who YOU want to be.

[KMG]

I have always preferred a women with little to no makeup. I like the natural look.

I also find one of the sexiest looks for a women is Jeans, t shirt, and a ball cap. I don't know why and you may think it weird but I love it.

In my earlier post I mentioned what I liked to look at but that is not all I have dated. That was just my caveman side describing the kind of women I would like to grunt at, club, and drag to the cave. I have dated tall girls, short girls, thin girls, heavier girls, curvy girls and non curvy girls. I would never not date a girl just because she didn't fit my idea of a perfect girl. While I do believe a visual attraction is needed it is not the number one concern in a mate, well not mine. I Am a guy and can find almost any women sexy and arousing but I can find the most beautiful women a complete turn off if she is a self centered, materialistic, stuck up witch.

I really lucked out and found a girl that will put up with me that happens to fit the mold of my perfect girl. I'm a lucky man. Now if I could just get her to like the snakes.

[kitedemon]

I am a photographer, I worked in fashion for a number or years photographing professional models in europe (london, munich) and have seen much of the underbelly of that industry. I have worked with women whom are toted as beautiful. Some are truly remarkable women smart interesting and that fact that comes in a contemporary beautiful body is actually intimidating. They are few and far between, shallow, demanding and mean is more common. Are they beautiful? well like the song says 'she ain't pretty she just looks that way.' Photographs lie they are not truth. Lighting, angle, make up effects even before post can grossly alter the 'look' of a person. Add common post effects, enlarging eyes, re-colouring skin tone, eyes and hair, line removal, and the odd digital cosmetic surgery leave a increase the gap between reality and photograph.

This generates an idealized (surreal) body, an impossible podium to reach. I dislike this a lot so much I moved away from europe and went home to NS canada and shoot mostly furniture (at a massive pay cut) but no matter what tricks I use to make a table look the best it can the decision is still when you walk into the store and see the demo unit and go 'gee it looks better in the photo' and walk out. Most high fashion magazines (vogue) have images of impossible women even the models can't live up to their own modified image. Sadly most images of women and men for that matter are selling an idea. If you wear Armani you will become beautiful desirable and rich.... These images prey on peoples insecurities and coheres them into thinking 500$ sweaters are worth it. Years ago the porn industry were the only image factories that could be counted on to show 'real' images of women free of the massive manipulation. Even that is gone now porn sets up a different kind of expectation between couples and pushes insecure people to do things they are not comfortable with, a similar problem.

There is no easy answer, change the way we market products? unlikely if not impossible, it is a tool that works very well. The answer is to teach young people (men too are effected by the same issues and the plight is not as well recognized but still there.) to be confident and comfortable with them selves. confident people are harder to take in they look at a 500$ sweater and think what are they thinking ? and walk away.

Personally I find a whole women attractive or not at all. The way a person moves, speaks, acts holds as much importance as the shell they live in. I am attracted to the whole package it is not important as Raptor says no curves curves don't make a women a woman. One of the sexiest women I know fits that description she is lithe and moves like she has no mass. It isn't the look but the way really at least in my eye.

[babyknees]

As long as you're healthy and happy it shouldn't matter what size you are. Women can be beautiful at any size and this skinny vs. fat argument is stupid.

Also, why is this just for women? Can't we discuss skinny vs. fat men?