cheap morphs worth breeding

[chimp54321]

I am going to start breeding ball pythons but I can only spend about $300 for the snakes so I was thinking of finding a 100% het male of some sort and just a normal female and hoping for the best. I would like to get a pair that is already old enough to breed as well. If anyone can recommend any cheaper popular morphs and where I can buy them mature that would be awesome or any other suggestions in starting to breed ball pythons.

[Vasiliki]

A 100% Het Male to a Normal female will result in Non-visual morphs. Meaning: They will ALL look normal.

[RoseyReps]

A 100% Het Male to a Normal female will result in Non-visual morphs. Meaning: They will ALL look normal.

Wouldn't all the normal babies also only be 50% possible het? Still new to the genetics so feel free to correct me.

[Mike41793]

One does not simply breed ball pythons.


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Wouldn't all the normal babies also only be 50% possible het? Still new to the genetics so feel free to correct me.

Correct

[Rickys_Reptiles]

I'd start with taking care of 1 female for a couple years first. Once you've got that under your belt then worry about breeding.

[Vasiliki]

Wouldn't all the normal babies also only be 50% possible het? Still new to the genetics so feel free to correct me.

Yes, you are correct. But given the person's understanding of genetics, I wanted to make it as basic as possible. Meaning:

A 50% Possible Het will visually look like a Normal. And if they want to produce Morphs, then a 100% Het Male to a Normal Female will not result in visual morphs.

[RoseyReps]

As to the OP, I would suggest spending your money on a nice female 2012 morph, and raising her for a year or so then getting a single gene morph (or double, depending on how much money you've saved up) male. Then when the girl is at breeding age and the boy, you'll have 2-3 years of bp husbandry under your belt. Jumping in head first to breeding probably isn't the best idea. But if you're determined to start breeding next season...pastels are pretty cheap in comparison...Adults / proven breeders will always run you more than juvies/hatchlings. If you are mostly interested in recessive morphs (albino, axanthic, clown, etc) make sure you buy hets from a reputable breeder so your 100% het doesn't turn out to be a dud. Sorry I couldn't be of more help, I'm a newbie myself. Though I would love to start breeding NOW...I am making myself wait and make sure I know what I'm doing and have a good grasp on husbandry etc before attempting to meddle in their lives. I wish you the best in whatever road you take

@Vasiliki - Gotcha, was just making sure I understood correctly as well.

[satomi325]

I am going to start breeding ball pythons but I can only spend about $300 for the snakes so I was thinking of finding a 100% het male of some sort and just a normal female and hoping for the best. I would like to get a pair that is already old enough to breed as well. If anyone can recommend any cheaper popular morphs and where I can buy them mature that would be awesome or any other suggestions in starting to breed ball pythons.

I'm not trying to put you down or your ambitions, but I have a few questions. The fact you're asking us about breeding cheap morphs as soon as possible is a little concerning. Or at least in my opinion.
Do you have any snakes already? Do you have Ball Python experience?
What kind of husbandry and set up are you practicing? Quarantine?
Do you have a plan for the eggs once they're laid?

For $300 you're not going to have much of a selection.
You can get an adult female normal $100-150. You can get a male pastel hatchling/well started for $75-125. Males take less time to mature, so if you get a hatchling, he could probably start breeding in a few months.
This renders you 50% normal, 50% pastel babies.
Nobody wants 50% het normal babies. Especially males. It's not worth breeding 50% and gambling time and money away when there are 100% hets on the market for pretty cheap already.
What are you going to do with the hatchlings if you can't sell them? You have to be prepared to house and keep them if you can't re-home them.

But regardless of what you get, it sounds like you're not ready to breed. Breeding snakes is not an instant thing, it takes patience. Lots and lots of patience.
Even if you get a pair for your budget, it doesn't mean either the male or female will breed.

[chimp54321]

I'm not trying to put you down or your ambitions, but I have a few questions. The fact you're asking us about breeding cheap morphs as soon as possible is a little concerning. Or at least in my opinion.
Do you have any snakes already? Do you have Ball Python experience?
What kind of husbandry and set up are you practicing? Quarantine?
Do you have a plan for the eggs once they're laid?

For $300 you're not going to have much of a selection.
You can get an adult female normal $100-150. You can get a male pastel hatchling/well started for $75-125. Males take less time to mature, so if you get a hatchling, he could probably start breeding in a few months.
This renders you 50% normal, 50% pastel babies.
Nobody wants 50% het normal babies. Especially males. It's not worth breeding 50% and gambling time and money away when there are 100% hets on the market for pretty cheap already.
What are you going to do with the hatchlings if you can't sell them? You have to be prepared to house and keep them if you can't re-home them.

But regardless of what you get, it sounds like you're not ready to breed. Breeding snakes is not an instant thing, it takes patience. Lots and lots of patience.
Even if you get a pair for your budget, it doesn't mean either the male or female will breed.

Wow, this site is awesome as far as response goes, I appreciate all the suggestions. I do have BP experience, I had one all through high school as well as anoles, geckos, corn snake, water dragon and an iguana with a 6 ft by 6ft by 3 ft deep enclosure which was amazing! I really just want to breed for the experience mostly and it would be nice to sell some, I have a bunch of space for the operation so I'll probably do some sort of rack system for the hatchlings. I understand to ease into it because I have to anyways to save for an incubator and such. Let's say I was to drop $500 on the snakes as babies would I be able to sell them easier?

[foobar]

Something has to be corrected, even if I might appear as a smart ass. A Pastel for example, is heterozygous for Super Pastel. For sure, no one would call a Pastel 100% het., but yeah, it still is. Every inheritance type has a heterozygous and a homozygous form, no matter if it is recessive, dominant, incomplete dominant or codominant.

I just want to have this corrected for the new ones.

Max