Ugh.. I think she's sick

[Manasha-Bogo]

If you have all this stuff going on, why would you want to foster parrots, and throw more of a load on yourself? I would just get all your animals squared away before you worry about helping other ones.

Your words... "worry", "load". I could copy/paste the webster's definition of these words for you.

Load:
the quantity borne or sustained by something; burden: a tree weighed down by its load of fruit.

Worry:
to torment oneself with or suffer from disturbing thoughts; fret.


Nope, I'm not fretting. Do you think you might be?

[AK907]

Lol! I guess I'm not giving you the answer you're looking for?

I'm not only talking about stress. I'm talking about the ability to care for and meet the needs of those things/animals/job that depend on me.

Something tells me you would not be satisfied with any answer I give you unless it sounded something like this. ""You're so right, I don't know what I have been thinking. I have been so wrong in my ways. I can't handle all of this crisis. I can't deal with all these things going wrong at once... blah blah..""

I'm really trying to be clear and concise. But I guess it just ain't working? And many would ask why I'm even trying. What does any of this about my personal life, number of pets, their needs, amount of stressors, have anything to do with a single sick reptile?

It has everything to do with you having a sick reptile. You came to us once with a problem. We tried to help. You didn't take our advice and have been rather rude for the most part. Your snake then got sick, which from the facts presented, points towards poor husbandry/care being a likely factor. You still want to deny any possible wrong doing on your part. You want even MORE animals when you're already taking pretty shoddy care of the ones you have because you're too full of pride. You just want to hear us say, "Oh, you're doing great!". You don't seem to want an actual solution, just phishing for compliments. THAT is what I see and that is what I believe several others see. DrDooLittle's point was very simple. You need to start properly caring for the animals you have NOW first before you bring in more animals into your "care".

Honest truth. Block away.

[Inarikins]

It's not that you can't handle it. Maybe you should just focus on one thing at a time. Why would you want to foster animals when you already have sick ones? I know if I was running a rescue and one of the people wanting to foster my birds had sick animals at home and were too busy trying to bring more animals into that house to foster I wouldn't do it. It's just a bad idea.

What this has to do with your single, sick reptile is that your single, sick reptile is sick because of improper care because you're not paying enough attention and didn't do your research. And your other hopefully still healthy reptile is being exposed to the exact same conditions and the sick animal. What do you do when you have one animal with a potentially contagious disease and one healthy one? You separate them. They should hvae been separate from the very beginning. You can't pony up the $12 for two tubs, or you refuse to because who knows why. You obviously don't know what you're doing and are refusing to listen to the people who do know what they're doing and who you came to for help.

We're trying to help, that's all. We're not attacking you as a person. We're maybe questioning your judgement and your decisions but not your capacity to handle stress.

[Manasha-Bogo]

It has everything to do with you having a sick reptile. You came to us once with a problem. We tried to help. You didn't take our advice and have been rather rude for the most part. Your snake then got sick, which from the facts presented, points towards poor husbandry/care being a likely factor. You still want to deny any possible wrong doing on your part. You want even MORE animals when you're already taking pretty shoddy care of the ones you have because you're too full of pride. You just want to hear us say, "Oh, you're doing great!". You don't seem to want an actual solution, just phishing for compliments. THAT is what I see and that is what I believe several others see. DrDooLittle's point was very simple. You need to start properly caring for the animals you have NOW first before you bring in more animals into your "care".

Honest truth. Block away.

AK907,

If I were only interested in getting praise from others on the internet, why would I stay in a place where obviously everyone seems to dislike me (for whatever the reason?)

I gave facts about the temperature and conditions in their enclosure and was told those temperatures were good. If you can give me hard evidence of the advice that I refuse to take, please point those out to me. Because I have yet to see a single shred of advice I have rejected on here.

Get them separated? Done.
Get them the right temperature? Done.
Get them the right humidity? Done.
Get them even more separated? Working on it.
Get the mites taken care of? Done.
Stop going to the herp store? Done.
Take the snake to the vet? Done.

hmmm??? So?? what have I rejected ? Please point it out.

I've been rude? show me where I was rude when it was unwarranted.

Wow... I've seldom been in a message board where newcomers are so poorly treated. Why is it open to registration then?

[Inarikins]

Your words... "worry", "load". I could copy/paste the webster's definition of these words for you.

Load:
the quantity borne or sustained by something; burden: a tree weighed down by its load of fruit.

Worry:
to torment oneself with or suffer from disturbing thoughts; fret.


Nope, I'm not fretting. Do you think you might be?

If I had a snake whose condition was listed as 'critical' I sure as anything would be fretting. I'd be stressing my head off, doing everything I could for my other snake to make sure he wasn't going to get sick as well. I'd be worrying over my birds and my rabbits (which I don't have, by the way) and my dog and the cats and my betta fish who doesn't understand why I'm fussing over him.

Maybe you don't have the right mindset to be a good pet parent.

[Manasha-Bogo]

It's not that you can't handle it. Maybe you should just focus on one thing at a time. Why would you want to foster animals when you already have sick ones? I know if I was running a rescue and one of the people wanting to foster my birds had sick animals at home and were too busy trying to bring more animals into that house to foster I wouldn't do it. It's just a bad idea.

What that person making sure their sick animals were getting treated and getting the care that they needed? Did they just want to increase their collection? Or did they actually have a genuine concern for their animals?
That's what's important. Not your personal opinion about how many pets is too many or whether the sick pets in the house were sick because of their own wrongful doing.

Any pet owner should know that pets get sick. REally?? Yes, people get sick . Animals get sick. In order to get sick only one thing must exist. Life.

What this has to do with your single, sick reptile is that your single, sick reptile is sick because of improper care because you're not paying enough attention and didn't do your research. And your other hopefully still healthy reptile is being exposed to the exact same conditions and the sick animal. What do you do when you have one animal with a potentially contagious disease and one healthy one? You separate them. They should hvae been separate from the very beginning. You can't pony up the $12 for two tubs, or you refuse to because who knows why. You obviously don't know what you're doing and are refusing to listen to the people who do know what they're doing and who you came to for help.

We're trying to help, that's all. We're not attacking you as a person. We're maybe questioning your judgement and your decisions but not your capacity to handle stress.

There we go again saying that I *refuse* the help that I've been given. Wow... So I should have held up a walmart at 4am so that I could get my 2 tubs between last night when it was suggested to me and today before work ?

honestly...

[Manasha-Bogo]

If I had a snake whose condition was listed as 'critical' I sure as anything would be fretting. I'd be stressing my head off, doing everything I could for my other snake to make sure he wasn't going to get sick as well. I'd be worrying over my birds and my rabbits (which I don't have, by the way) and my dog and the cats and my betta fish who doesn't understand why I'm fussing over him.

Maybe you don't have the right mindset to be a good pet parent.

LOL!! I guess slaving over this website and 20 others while I should be working and hiding it from my boss is not worry enough for you? Are you watching me or something?? Cuz you sure seem to think you know me better than I know myself. <shakes head>

[Inarikins]

What that person making sure their sick animals were getting treated and getting the care that they needed? Did they just want to increase their collection? Or did they actually have a genuine concern for their animals?
That's what's important. Not your personal opinion about how many pets is too many or whether the sick pets in the house were sick because of their own wrongful doing.

Any pet owner should know that pets get sick. REally?? Yes, people get sick . Animals get sick. In order to get sick only one thing must exist. Life.

What about that person whose animals are all healthy and well cared for? The obvious thing to a rescue organization is making sure the person fostering has healthy animals. What are they going to do if they're financially responsible for the animal's wellbeing and it gets sick under your watch? It's obviously your fault that animal got sick. If it dies, it's your fault as well if what if got sick and died from is something that your animal should have been cured of.

I never said anything about a person having too many animals. NEVER. Stop saying I said things I didn't.

A well-cared for animal in a clean and appropriate environment will be sick far less often than an animal in unsuitable conditions. That is a fact.

There we go again saying that I *refuse* the help that I've been given. Wow... So I should have held up a walmart at 4am so that I could get my 2 tubs between last night when it was suggested to me and today before work ?

honestly...

Yes. Or you could have gone to walmart the week before (or however long it's been since separating your snakes totally was discussed, I honestly don't care anymore) during the day when you had time off work to get tubs. It's not like they're only open for an hour once a month. There are a lot of Walmarts and other stores that are open 24/7.

LOL!! I guess slaving over this website and 20 others while I should be working and hiding it from my boss is not worry enough for you? Are you watching me or something?? Cuz you sure seem to think you know me better than I know myself. <shakes head>

Obviously I do. You don't seem to be very worried. All you seem to be worried about is saying that you're 'not stressed' which is counterpoint to what you just said about 'being stressed' and arguing with the people that are trying to help your snakes.

[Manasha-Bogo]

What about that person whose animals are all healthy and well cared for? The obvious thing to a rescue organization is making sure the person fostering has healthy animals. What are they going to do if they're financially responsible for the animal's wellbeing and it gets sick under your watch? It's obviously your fault that animal got sick. If it dies, it's your fault as well if what if got sick and died from is something that your animal should have been cured of.

Not my fault if the animal came sick from the place I got it, now is it?
Should have taken her to the vet 2 weeks ago. Agreed. I said as much in an earlier post. Hindsight is 20/20. Do you want me to commit seppuku for not having done something I probably should have? Did anyone recommend in the other thread that I should take her to the vet? No. So that hindsight = 20/20 applies to everyone who got worked up over the separation issue. Everyone was too blinded by the fact they were living together to see that just maybe she was really sick and needed to be seen by a vet.

I never said anything about a person having too many animals. NEVER. Stop saying I said things I didn't.

Please stop saying that I've refused advice when I haven't.

A well-cared for animal in a clean and appropriate environment will be sick far less often than an animal in unsuitable conditions. That is a fact.

Agreed. Which is why I give all my animals a clean and appropriate environment. And if I don't know how or have questions, I go looking for the right answers. Hence, why I am here. But to tell you the truth I have spent more time here explaining my personal decisions than I have learning anything new.

Yes. Or you could have gone to walmart the week before (or however long it's been since separating your snakes totally was discussed, I honestly don't care anymore) during the day when you had time off work to get tubs. It's not like they're only open for an hour once a month. There are a lot of Walmarts and other stores that are open 24/7.

Why does your snake care sheet list glass enclosures as one of the acceptable living quarters for a ball python if it is, in fact, so frowned upon? Maybe you should file a complaint with the board moderators instead of trying to convince me that I suck. lol!

Obviously I do. You don't seem to be very worried. All you seem to be worried about is saying that you're 'not stressed' which is counterpoint to what you just said about 'being stressed' and arguing with the people that are trying to help your snakes.

Lol, stress is a healthy (yes, healthy) thing. But don't take my word for it, look it up yourself. It's "too much" stress that is bad. When it starts to affect your health and makes you age prematurely. Maybe another mistake I have made is to assume you can read between the lines and could tell what I meant. Sorry, next time I'll spell things out like you're a 6 year old.

[Inarikins]

Not my fault if the animal came sick from the place I got it, now is it?
Should have taken her to the vet 2 weeks ago. Agreed. I said as much in an earlier post. Hindsight is 20/20. Do you want me to commit seppuku for not having done something I probably should have? Did anyone recommend in the other thread that I should take her to the vet? No. So that hindsight = 20/20 applies to everyone who got worked up over the separation issue. Everyone was too blinded by the fact they were living together to see that just maybe she was really sick and needed to be seen by a vet.

I'll just quote Slim here. Since you're ignoring him, you probably haven't read this yet.

You don't think the stress of 3 months of being housed in a bearded dragon set up, with another snake, and mites, and being under fed had anything to do with it?

Please stop saying that I've refused advice when I haven't.

You've refused to actually separate your snakes. That seems to be refusing advice. When we say 'separate' we mean 'different enclosures'.

Agreed. Which is why I give all my animals a clean and appropriate environment. And if I don't know how or have questions, I go looking for the right answers. Hence, why I am here. But to tell you the truth I have spent more time here explaining my personal decisions than I have learning anything new.

Obviously not, if they have mites and are sick.

Why does your snake care sheet list glass enclosures as one of the acceptable living quarters for a ball python if it is, in fact, so frowned upon? Maybe you should file a complaint with the board moderators instead of trying to convince me that I suck. lol!

A glass enclosure is fine so long as it provides all the right husbandry which includes not being in the same enclosure as another snake and in one that's much too big besides. Maybe you should listen to what I'm saying instead of telling me I said something I didn't. Did I ever say 'you suck'? No.

Lol, stress is a healthy (yes, healthy) thing. But don't take my word for it, look it up yourself. It's "too much" stress that is bad. When it starts to affect your health and makes you age prematurely. Maybe another mistake I have made is to assume you can read between the lines and could tell what I meant. Sorry, next time I'll spell things out like you're a 6 year old.

Hey, I know stress is a semi-healthy thing. I'm sorry I'm apparently not the wizard at 'reading between the lines' that you are. I'm sorry I only have an english degree and know exactly how to deconstruct what you're saying for meaning and intent. I apologize that I come of as a 6 year old, but you're the one calling me names.

Also, I'm done with this thread. I'm not going to wish your snake's death on you, but if she does pass because of your inadequate care I hope it's peaceful and pain-free. And I hope any of your other pets don't manage to get sick despite their lack of care because you sure won't make sure they have what they need. And I really hope that you don't foster any animals ever because they didn't ask to be moved into a home where there are things that might make them ill.

Moderators, if I've crossed the line somewhere, please be sure to correct me, I would appreciate it.