Difference between a butter and a lesser?

[Domepiece]

If they are the same then why are the combos they produce different? Besides the super forms of both of course. I agree that they are similar alleles and are on the same loci or whatever but I think they have a subtle mutation that makes them two separate genes. I think they are just different genetic variations of the same gene.

[satomi325]

If they are the same then why are the combos they produce different?

I don't think their combos are that different. And if there was a difference its due to the unique line traits or to the other parent morph's trait... I've seen pastel butters and pastel Lessers that look identical.

You never see pastels that are exactly the same. More blushing with one line or a brighter yellow with another...

Has anyone bred a Lesser Butter BEL? Can you tell whether the offspring is a butter or lesser?

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[DooLittle]

Rabernet, are you going to tell us???

[Domepiece]

I don't think their combos are that different. And if there was a difference its due to the unique line traits or to the other parent morph's trait... I've seen pastel butters and pastel Lessers that look identical.

You never see pastels that are exactly the same. More blushing with one line or a brighter yellow with another...

Has anyone bred a Lesser Butter BEL? Can you tell whether the offspring is a butter or lesser?

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Thats just with pastels, I'm talking about other more obvious morphs, pastels when mixed with anything that are light colored or washed out would be hard to tell the difference. Google a bunch of lesser/butter combos and the differences are light and day. Also yes I agree that there are large variances in colors and patterns within any gene. I have one lesser that is very faded out and light and one that is very bright with a solid pattern, I also have pastels that are very different from eachother.

[The Serpent Merchant]

If they are the same then why are the combos they produce different? Besides the super forms of both of course. I agree that they are similar alleles and are on the same loci or whatever but I think they have a subtle mutation that makes them two separate genes. I think they are just different genetic variations of the same gene.

to continue with my pastel analogy:

Do you think that these 2 snakes will make identical looking bees if I paired them with the same spider?





Of course they wouldn't, the lemon line pastels color would be more apparent in the bee offspring, and the Graziani's blushing would be more apparent in its offspring.

2 different lines of the same morph with different looking combos

[Domepiece]

to continue with my pastel analogy:

Do you think that these 2 snakes will make identical looking bees if I paired them with the same spider?





Of course they wouldn't, the lemon line pastels color would be more apparent in the bee offspring, and the Graziani's blushing would be more apparent in its offspring.

2 different lines of the same morph yet different looking combos

Lol, I know, I get it. I like to play a little devil's advocate at times.

[rabernet]

Rabernet, are you going to tell us???

Yes! LOL - they are both lessers from two different reputable breeders.

I personally could not pick out the butters from the lessers if they were all put into a bucket and I was asked to separate them. It's my OPINION that they are the same mutation.

[OhhWatALoser]

Thats just with pastels, I'm talking about other more obvious morphs, pastels when mixed with anything that are light colored or washed out would be hard to tell the difference. Google a bunch of lesser/butter combos and the differences are light and day. Also yes I agree that there are large variances in colors and patterns within any gene. I have one lesser that is very faded out and light and one that is very bright with a solid pattern, I also have pastels that are very different from eachother.

because its not the lesser/butter allele making the snake look different than the other, its the possible multi-thousand alleles that vary in every snake, it's why we get differences in pastels and everything else.

heres was a thread i made with the intent of putting this to bed
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...nd-lesser-vote

[Domepiece]

because its not the lesser/butter allele making the snake look different than the other, its the possible multi-thousand alleles that vary in every snake, it's why we get differences in pastels and everything else.

heres was a thread i made with the intent of putting this to bed
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...nd-lesser-vote

Yep