worst bug eyes i've ever seen

[RichsBallPythons]

This snake is genetically Flawed and will pass on the bug eyes if bred. Why pay 1300$ for a genetically flawed morph when you can get perfect ones no flaws what so ever and breed it.


Regardless if its cute or not, It should not be at market value.

[WingedWolfPsion]

Is bug-eyes tied directly to the Lesser Platinum gene? If it is, then the snake is not genetically flawed at all.

If bug-eyes is caused by an additional recessive gene that's present in Lesser Platinum lines, you would expect to see normal snakes from Lesser clutches throwing bug-eye offspring as well.

Unless this gene reacts with something in the lesser gene to produce bug eyes--or reacts only when the lesser gene is doubled, to produce this effect.

I think it's HIGHLY premature to call this a genetic flaw, though, until further research is done. It's like saying the spider wobble is a genetic flaw in spiders--it's not, it's part of the spider gene itself and cannot be bred out. (You could call the spider gene itself the flaw, but most of us like them anyhow).

So, the question becomes, is the bug-eyes caused by an additional gene reacting to lesser platinum, or the SAME gene as lesser platinum. It's a crucial difference.

Does the problem cause any actual issues, or it is purely cosmetic?

[Rob]

More like awesome bug eyes, if it doesn't effect the snakes vision and he's happy and healthy I say the eyes look cool and unique

[RobNJ]

This snake is genetically Flawed and will pass on the bug eyes if bred. Why pay 1300$ for a genetically flawed morph when you can get perfect ones no flaws what so ever and breed it.


Regardless if its cute or not, It should not be at market value.

Are bug eyes a passable trait, or are they a flaw within the super lesser/butter only? While I understand where you're coming from, I don't understand why this argument presents itself when it comes to bug eyes, kinks, duck bills, yet spider wobbles(a genetic flaw) have sold fine for years.

[RichsBallPythons]

I have seen bug eyes from lesser clutches where normals and lessers had the bug eyes.

To say the bug eyes are acceptable but then a kink isnt dont sound right. Theres kinks out there and dont harm the snakes that will live well. But if someone sells one their completely market way down not kept at top dollar. I would never breed this animal in the likes of producing more bug eyes, The same you wouldnt breed a kinked snake as well

[filly77]

Does mojo x mojo cause bug eyes?

[RichsBallPythons]

mojo x mojo does not, Strictly the butter/lesser gene that does so.

[satomi325]

Is bug-eyes tied directly to the Lesser Platinum gene? If it is, then the snake is not genetically flawed at all.

If bug-eyes is caused by an additional recessive gene that's present in Lesser Platinum lines, you would expect to see normal snakes from Lesser clutches throwing bug-eye offspring as well.

Unless this gene reacts with something in the lesser gene to produce bug eyes--or reacts only when the lesser gene is doubled, to produce this effect.

I think it's HIGHLY premature to call this a genetic flaw, though, until further research is done. It's like saying the spider wobble is a genetic flaw in spiders--it's not, it's part of the spider gene itself and cannot be bred out. (You could call the spider gene itself the flaw, but most of us like them anyhow).

So, the question becomes, is the bug-eyes caused by an additional gene reacting to lesser platinum, or the SAME gene as lesser platinum. It's a crucial difference.

Does the problem cause any actual issues, or it is purely cosmetic?

Good questions.

I would imagine that the bug eyes only occur when the gene is doubled, which is why butterxbutter/lesserxlesser/lesserxbutter's have such a significant turn out... I'm not sure on the percentages, but no body really hears about mojavexmojave getting bug eyes.

I wonder if there are functional issues with the bug eyes as well.
I imagine that the ones up for sale are eating alight, so maybe it's just cosmetic? Either way, ball's don't really need eyesight to survive in captivity. Ben Siegel has an eyeless ball that eats and lives perfectly fine.

That's just my 2cents and opinion.

[Wonzzer]

Show me a photo of a sub-adult or adult ball python with bug eyes. I am sure they grow into their bug eyes as adults. I have only been breeding for four years, and have never seen an adult with bug eyes.

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[Annarose15]

This snake is genetically Flawed and will pass on the bug eyes if bred. Why pay 1300$ for a genetically flawed morph when you can get perfect ones no flaws what so ever and breed it.


Regardless if its cute or not, It should not be at market value.

Of course, the unfortunate catch-22 is that as soon as it gets marked down, someone would buy it and brag about the great deal they got on their new breeder...