Number of Morphs

[ClarkT]

I'm just wondering, if and when the butters are decided to be the same morph as the lessers (seems obvious to some, and not to others...), how many morphs on the morph list would combine? And if the Sugar = Calico, why are they listed separately? Just wondering... It just seems that if we keep listing doppelganger morphs, the number of morphs gets greatly exaggerated. Oh well, doesn't really matter much, just seems weird to list so many morphs twice.

[Brandon Osborne]

Cinny/black pastel
Candy/banana/coral glow

Those are just a few off the top of my head.

[snake lab]

It cant be the same morph if you get different results. Take the cinny and the black for example. What they produce are different. Both supers are different, the sterling and the silver streak are different, when combined with the pied gene also different etc. Now are they close? Maybe but still different. Now butters and lessers are alot closer to eachother then the cinny is to the black. Its all about subtle differences in the morphs nowadays. Look at all the different variants of pastels. Lemons, blondes, jungles, citrus etc, then you have all the different lines from grazianni, bell, stonewashed, etc. Its all about variants. All these subtle morphs are building blocks for combos. Thete are so many more subtle morphs then thete ever was before and thete will be more. The key is selective breeding to unlock the potential for combos

[Mike41793]

It cant be the same morph if you get different results. Take the cinny and the black for example. What they produce are different. Both supers are different, the sterling and the silver streak are different, when combined with the pied gene also different etc. Now are they close? Maybe but still different. Now butters and lessers are alot closer to eachother then the cinny is to the black. Its all about subtle differences in the morphs nowadays. Look at all the different variants of pastels. Lemons, blondes, jungles, citrus etc, then you have all the different lines from grazianni, bell, stonewashed, etc. Its all about variants. All these subtle morphs are building blocks for combos. Thete are so many more subtle morphs then thete ever was before and thete will be more. The key is selective breeding to unlock the potential for combos

I agree. Cinnies and black pastels look different to me.
Butters/lessers....theyre the same. Ive seen darker and creamier colored examples of both morphs.

[h00blah]

I agree. Cinnies and black pastels look different to me.
Butters/lessers....theyre the same. Ive seen darker and creamier colored examples of both morphs.

Ditto.

I don't think the number of morphs is greatly exaggerated though lol. There's tons of different combos, and more are going to be made or found

[zeion97]

Ditto.

I don't think the number of morphs is greatly exaggerated though lol. There's tons of different combos, and more are going to be made or found

There's going to be a lot more to come in the next few years...And it will just continue to grow beyond that.

I agree. Cinnies and black pastels look different to me.

Butters/lessers....theyre the same. Ive seen darker and creamier colored examples of both morphs.

I agree with both those statements. The only thing I would say is MAYBE they are two different lines, or the such. (I believe I said that right )

[ClarkT]

I agree that there are differences between cinnys and black pastels. But do they not stem from the same WC parent?

And I would say that "greatly exaggerated" was an overstatement. There are way too many other combos. However, I do think the list would reduce noticeably if butter/lesser was considered the same; Candy/Banana/coral glows; phantom/mystic; sugar/calico; etc.

Does the list designate a Firefly (lemon pastel x fire) differently from a Firefly (jungle pastel x fire)? Or differently from a Firefly (graziani pastel x fire); Firefly (_______ pastel x fire)? Nope.

Anyway, I only bring this up as a question of curiosity. Not really trying to prove something, but rather just stating my observation on it.

[snake lab]

When working with different lines of the same morph such as pastels for example, it comes down to variants of the offspring. A sterling made from bell line pastel or a sterling made from a lemon may look different be would be variants of the same morph therefore it have to be named as such. If a cinnamon and a black both came from the same wild caught animal then it would be that way throughout the breedings and its not. Both different morphs. Now blacks i think have more variants then cinnies. The blackest super forms of the black pastel comes from outbacks line imo. Those things are jet black

[RobNJ]

Candy/banana/coral glow

Candy/Banana/coral glows

I think you guys want to be grouping the candy with toffees, not CG's and bananas.

[ClarkT]

Whoops, you're exactly right...duh. Good job!