Question about breeding desert females!

[PythonOutlaw]

Is it possible to get a good clutch from say a desert Pin, since theres some other genetics in there, Or will it not produce like all other female deserts

[PythonOutlaw]

I thought I would post here instead of the breeding forum, as there is genetics somewhat in question

[RichsBallPythons]

Not worth the Risk IMO at the price of Deserts. I cant see spending 2K+ and never getting a vital clutch from her. One reason I will never get into Deserts or Caramels.

Some will say its not been long enough which is BS, other morphs been around few years and have been producing some wicked stuff in half the time Deserts been around. Females avg to get to breeding size is 2 years.

Rather play the breeding game with these morphs, ill sit back and watch people get their feathers ruffled over it.

[PythonOutlaw]

Yes I know desert females do not produce viable clutches,

But even having a second gene in them like a pinstripe, ex: desert Pinstripe. they still do not produce? you think with having a stable gene with the desert would increas the chances of producing viable clutches

I wonder why deserts dont produce in the first place, I find it strange.

[RichsBallPythons]

Wont matter what genes are mixed in, the Desert Dominant gene is still there in the female.

maybe if you wait 10-15 MORE years you might get an answer

[PythonOutlaw]

Wont matter what genes are mixed in, the Desert Dominant gene is still there in the female.

maybe if you wait 10-15 MORE years you might get an answer

So really its a waste to even get male deserts for breeding plans, because the female offspring would be useless for breeding as they would have the desert gene aswell? is that correct

[RichsBallPythons]

To me it is yes, If you want a male desert to produce other male morph combos go ahead.

But you sell them females off and they prove to be infertile, what will you do for your customer.

[PythonOutlaw]

To me it is yes, If you want a male desert to produce other male morph combos go ahead.

But you sell them females off and they prove to be infertile, what will you do for your customer.

I find it pretty sad that Alot of reputable high end breeders are still selling desert females at a high cost and not making it aware to possible buyers of the problems people are having with deserts and breeding! Im sure there is plenty of people buying them that are unaware of the problems. Kind of shady of the breeders if you ask me

[RichsBallPythons]

Give it time, later in the day today the desert squad will be here defending them.

Just doesnt take this long for a Dominant gene to prove fertile or infertile at all. Some say cooler temps will be the trick but thats waste of time. Ball pythons are all the same just different paint jobs. To say one needs cooler temps than another is absurd when their genetically the same whether normal or albino or desert.

[Mike.P]

I personally wouldn't buy a desert female to breed, it's not worth the risk. Getting one as a pet is a different story. It's still a gorgeous snake. I'm sure there are many people out there that would want one for that reason. I don't think breeding is an end unto itself; Yes, most of us here breed to see what awesome things we can come up with. But I think there are a lot more people out there that buy what we create for their beauty, and to have a unique pet. Otherwise every python owner out there would be a breeder. Perfect example, I was at my local herp store the other day, and they sold a five thousand dollar snake to a doctor who plans to keep it at his office (not the greatest idea, seeing as how a ball is going to sit in his hide all day, but its his money I guess.)

Hence the high prices on females, despite their infertility. As far as breeders being shady goes... I think it's pretty common knowledge that desert females are infertile. But even if a person doesn't know that, a ten second Google search would tell them that much. Which anyone with half a brain should do before buying a $2k+ animal, especially if they plan to breed it.



Edit: Sleep deprived grammar... Again. I should learn what night time is. Ha ha!