Betcha cant name this morph

[Serpent_Nirvana]

SnakeLab, you probably already thought of this, but was the YB mama a virgin?

The only other thing I can think of would be that she had been previously bred by something other than the ivory, and retained some sperm from that.

Aside from that, it will be interesting to see what that little girl produces -- as krmn22 above me suggested, maybe she will throw something funky into the ivory mix, like some of the other "normal" looking variants in this complex seem to do (specter, etc. -- and yes, I'm sure there are ways to differentiate a specter from a normal, but danged if I can tell what they are!)

[angllady2]

I find this very interesting.

I have a yellowbelly male that has only a few subtle clues to indicate what he is, and when I posted his pictures I was told there is a line or two out there that have few or no "typical" yellowbelly markers, but are proven ivory producers.

I do think caution should be exercised with the breeding, because some morphs are confusing enough as it is when compared to a normal, I don't think we need any making things worse.

Best of luck with your pairings, and I would be interested to see what babies she produces.

Gale

[snake lab]

SnakeLab, you probably already thought of this, but was the YB mama a virgin?

The only other thing I can think of would be that she had been previously bred by something other than the ivory, and retained some sperm from that.

Aside from that, it will be interesting to see what that little girl produces -- as krmn22 above me suggested, maybe she will throw something funky into the ivory mix, like some of the other "normal" looking variants in this complex seem to do (specter, etc. -- and yes, I'm sure there are ways to differentiate a specter from a normal, but danged if I can tell what they are!)

That could be a possibility and one ive thought of until her sister who looks just like her produced ivories this year. Because i know the pairing that produced her im confident in what she is. Could it be a flaw in the particular yellowbelly line? I dont know. But we will see what she does this year. All morphs have their subtleties and this just may be one of the yellowbellies. As i agree that its not normal not to see the markings it is possible

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

Holy crap another conspiracy theory thats gonna be created by the same people. Befote this gets out of hand and please people listen this time so we dont waste 8 pages of the same run around.

That thread was someone asking about his yellowbelly. I posted the pic and said do ya think this is one just to prove a point that not all is what it seems. But noone was responding so i posted the thread here. And yes im 100% sure of the pairing.

Holy crap that's why I asked the question! So "people" please explain yourself because that was very vague and could have been taken either way. "do ya think?"

[meowmeowkazoo]

BEL in this thread could only mean black eyed leucistic, aka ivory, so I don't know how u got confused.

Black eyed leucistics are super fires, not ivories.

[Jessica Loesch]

Black eyed leucistics are super fires, not ivories.

EXACTLY my point ....

I was never the one that was confused ... lol..

As stated, an ivory is two copies of the yellow belly gene, and while it is a leucistic morph, it is called an "ivory" or super yellowbelly.
A BEL is either a blue or black eyed leucistic, which in ball python world, only means BluEL complex snakes or super fires.