baby spider ball keeps shaking its head this normall?

[carlisleishere]

Spiders do tend to do that. Also, you would think that since, most (if not all) spiders came from a common ancestor, being outbred for years would correct the wobble, I think it's pretty safe to say it's genetically related to the spider gene, and won't be bred out over time. It just has varying degrees of wobbles.

[snake lab]

It would have been bred out if people stopped breeding the wobblers but they didnt and dont. If this was dog breeding it would be alot different. People would have stopped the problem. But this is a money driven industry and people loose sight of breeding and producing quality animals instead they breed for quantity first and quality second. Im sure im going to get totally slammed on this next comment but i would rather put a snake that has a bad wobble in the freezer then sell it to one of my customers. You will not see any wobblers on my table at a show

[carlisleishere]

I mean to say that it varies, so a low wobble spider could throw a high wobble spider and vice versa. I think It's great that people try to out breed the wobble, I just don't think that it could be eliminated. The only reason a wobbly spider would have to be put down imo, is if it's quality of life was affected. ie couldn't eat by itself.

[snake lab]

At this point i agree it wont be totally eliminated. Nor will alot of people stop breeding them simply because noone is gonna cut themselves from making money. Me personally, i dont breed them. Im not telling anyone how to live their life im just giving my oppinion but on this site i tend to feel like the new kid at school trying to fit in lol. For some reason everytime i post a comment on here its the same group of people that want to argue with me with their google based knowledge. The fact is i was working with spiders from the very beginning, when the first spiders were produced. I bought my first spider male for 14k plus some wholesale stuff. I know a little bit about what im talking about. But for some reason i still get slammed or accused of acting like im better then someone cause of my experience. That is not the fact. I am simply trying to help someone who asked for it or responding to a post based on experience not google.

[MidSouthMorphs]

Thing is, a "no" wobble Spider can throw out a high or low wobble. I have seen it, it is a case by case thing. I don't think it can be bred out IMO.

[snake lab]

I agree. A no wobbler can throw wobbles. Just like it doesnt matter if you have a low white or high white pied. My only point is i dont breed wobblers and i havent seen any wobbler hatchlings in a while now im also using the spider stuff in alot of combos so im not breeding plain spiders. Maybe this has something to do with odds

[mpkeelee]

Does anybody think the neurological issue is what is preventing super spiders?

[Stewart_Reptiles]

I dont breed wobblers. If more people did selective breeding to try and out breed the flaw then we wouldnt have the issue as bad as we do today. The wobble has been passed down through mass breeding and inbreeding of animals with it therefore it got worse. I dont breed any spider cross that has wobbles and i dont throw wobblers either. You can outbreed the problem with sucess. Can you still get wobblers ? Yes there is still the risk but your odds deminish extensively when you breed only healthy non neuro animals.

It's pretty inaccurate inbreeding has nothing to do with it, Spiders are one of the most out bred morph out there.

It is pretty well accepted that all spiders wobble to a degree, in some cases it is almost invisible making people think they do not have a wobbler in some other cases it is very extreme and of course you have everything in between.

It is also pretty well accepted that an extreme wobbler can produce an almost non wobbler and vice versa.

A wobbler can outgrow it to a degree as well, just like an almost non wobbler can become a train wreck as it gets holder, is submitted to stress, extreme temps etc.

There are many threads about this it's been said times and times again.

Of course sometimes one needs to know what to look for and when.

Spiders are not for everyone that's for sure people either want to work with them or not but as far as breeding it out of spider it will not happen and I think it is hypocrite for someone who owns and breed spiders to tell someone else not too.

[snake lab]

Man i swear if you are not text book literal around here you dont stand a chance. I wasnt telling them not to breed spiders. I said not to breed THAT spider. I will always breed the spider gene as long as there is a market for it. But like i said I DONT BREED WOBBLERS lol.

[AK907]

It's pretty inaccurate inbreeding has nothing to do with it, Spiders are one of the most out bred morph out there.

It is pretty well accepted that all spiders wobble to a degree, in some cases it is almost invisible making people think they do not have a wobbler in some other cases it is very extreme and of course you have everything in between.

It is also pretty well accepted that an extreme wobbler can produce an almost non wobbler and vice versa.

A wobbler can outgrow it to a degree as well, just like an almost non wobbler can become a train wreck as it gets holder, is submitted to stress, extreme temps etc.

There are many threads about this it's been said times and times again.

Of course sometimes one needs to know what to look for and when.

Spiders are not for everyone that's for sure people either want to work with them or not but as far as breeding it out of spider it will not happen and I think it is hypocrite for someone who owns and breed spiders to tell someone else not too.

I agree, although I certainly see where snakelab is coming from on this issue. I will refrain from getting too political on this, though.

My opinion: All spiders wobble, end of story, no matter how subtle it may be. I don't see an issue with the wobble as long as they are healthy and have a good quality of life. It took me a while to get used to it, I'll admit it, but we have had nothing but good luck with all of our spiders, from those with only a tiny quirk all the way up to those that corkscrew like they have advanced IBD.