Chocolate X cinnamon?

[RandyRemington]

Yes, I was just taking pictures of the rest of this clutch tonight. In the middle of some updates on the computer I'm going to upload those pics to but hope to post them here later tonight. I'm going to need some help figuring out what everything is and hope I’m not wrong on that one above being a chocolate cinnamon Mojave (it could be a super chocolate Mojave) as someone’s cataloged the picture already.

[RandyRemington]

I had thought this one might be a cinnamon mojave but she isn't as nice as other savanna pictures I've seen posted so I'm wondering if she could be the chocolate cinnamon combo.



Here is a pic showing a little more of her lower side.



And here is a sister from this clutch (chocolate mojave X chocolate, cinnamon het hypo, pastel yb chocolate?) that I'm really lost on:





Is she some kind of cinnamon paradox het hypo? Could yb or pastel be in there rather than cinnamon?

Here is a cinnamon hypo from another clutch for comparison:

[RyanT]

Those Garcias are incredible, Randy, I love 'em! I'd say you have a Chocolate Cinny and Chocolate YB there. And that Hypo Cinny is no slouch either...Incredible. I'm a huge fan.

[RandyRemington]

Thanks Ryan.

So you think this girl looks like she includes YB rather than cinnamon?



Thing is her only chance at even being het hypo should be if her dad is the cinnamon het hypo and parts of her look hypo (and parts don't, very paradox like). I need to find a lab that wants to do snake paternity tests to figure this clutch out.

I do see the edge of her belly looking yb like. But I have this very different looking girl from another clutch that I thought was a chocolate yb.



Has Mojave Yellow Belly been produced yet? Maybe those two different whitesnake complex genes interact in some unexpected way?

[JMD]

I found this http://www.snakepreview.com/wordpres...nnamon-mojave/

thanks, I saw that one on Kingsnake, but was looking for it without the mojave gene involved

[JMD]

I had thought this one might be a cinnamon mojave but she isn't as nice as other savanna pictures I've seen posted so I'm wondering if she could be the chocolate cinnamon combo.



Here is a pic showing a little more of her lower side.



And here is a sister from this clutch (chocolate mojave X chocolate, cinnamon het hypo, pastel yb chocolate?) that I'm really lost on:





Is she some kind of cinnamon paradox het hypo? Could yb or pastel be in there rather than cinnamon?

Here is a cinnamon hypo from another clutch for comparison:

Awesome clutch, although I'm lost on what they are

[RyanT]

Oh, wow. Yeah that 2nd one is definitely the Chocolate YB. I think I didn't fully comprehend the lineage you wrote...I don't have any clue what the hell that lighter one is man. Haha

[Simple Man]

Mojave YB has been done. It can be really hard to tell the YB until they get older and color up a bit. They tend to have yellow creeping in through the blushing. There'a post on here where Albey showed off some Super Pastel Mojave Bellies. There's a little info about identifying YB in the Mojave mix but the conclusion was that it was not easy especially with young snakes. Should get easier as they age.

Regards,

B