need help deciding for next years breeding season.....

[adamjeffery]

ok guys and gals,
i have a female black pastel that should be online by this coming up season. i have always planned on borrowing her father to breed her to. my origional goal was to make super black's.
well i picked up an awesome male lesser this year and after seeing how sweet black pastel lesser's look i started having a change of heart as far as my plans were concerned.
now i dont have the money to buy another ready to breed black pastel so that is out. i just want your input as to what YOU would do. ultimately the decision will be mine but input is always nice.
thanks in advance
adam jeffery

[Stewart_Reptiles]

When it comes to super cinnies and or super black pastels I would outcross as much as possible and would definitely not breed your cinny back to her sire.

[adamjeffery]

When it comes to super cinnies and or super black pastels I would outcross as much as possible and would definitely not breed your cinny back to her sire.

i understand your thinking but i have yet to see any tangible proof that out crossing lessens the potential for defects. i will certainly research it more before i make my decision though. thanks for reminding me about that aspect. i know i wont breed her to a cinny as i love my black pastel's and you can truly tell she is a black and not a cinny.
adam jeffery

[bman123]

Just use the lesser

[buddha1200]

i say try both

[Gto_402]

Well my first pick isn't on your poll I've really been diggin the Black Magics. Maybe it's because I'm a diehard Mojave fan. Who knows. The black pastel lessers/butters are very nice as well. Now as far as pairing her with her father, I wouldn't do it personally but I know several breeders who wouldn't think twice. I'm a big fan of outcrossing as much as possible. Oh yea! Where's the pictures of the snakes being discussed?!

[decensored]

I'd breed to the lesser. just my opinion

Cheers!

[Subdriven]

I'd do lesser.


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[SlitherinSisters]

I agree with breeding the lesser since the supper cinnies are known to have issues.

[WingedWolfPsion]

I'd go for the super-black, and do the lesser NEXT year. If you get lucky, you can keep back 1.1 supers for future projects.

The folks arguing against the super-black seem to think you shouldn't produce one at all, which is just silly. Line breeding for a generation or 2 has never been shown to cause problems in ball pythons.

Just make sure you write up some good paperwork for the breeding loan.