How in the #3!! do they know?

[ClarkT]

So I was just looking at some morphs, and related projects on WOBP's morph list, as I love to see the cool pics...

Anyway, they have an Enchi Granite Hidden Gene Woma Pinstripe Super Pastel listed. http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-super-pastel/

It's a gorgeous, cool looking snake, but how do they know all those genes are in there? I think there comes a point when there are so many genes in these designers, that it can't be known what's in there without breeding it to a normal for a few years...

For example, how do they know super pastel is in there? Do they have the Enchi Granite Hidden Gene Woma Pinstripe Pastel to compare it to?
Anyway...

[LunaBalls]

Good questions, ill like to know too.

[DemmBalls]

Looking at its head alone...I would guess there is super pastel in there. I do agree though...Some of these snakes are getting so carried away! How do you pick out all of the genes? Especially some of the more subtle ones?

[LotsaBalls]

For example, how do they know super pastel is in there? Do they have the Enchi Granite Hidden Gene Woma Pinstripe Pastel to compare it to?
Anyway...

yes, yes they do. But for the most part I agree.

[DC Reptiles]

my guess would be you would have to bred it out and see what you end up with.

[volcom]

Definetly has super pastel pinstripe, spider is very similar to woma so I think you can compared it with the killer blast and know thats is very different with the enchi and granite gene

[stratus_020202]

Has anyone seen NERD's facility. Most of the time, they don't know. They have a whole bunch of question marks. It's crazy to see what they pull out of their tubs.

But, if that's what it's labeled at, I give 100% trust to WOBP that's what it is. And, yes they probably have a Enchi Granite Hidden Gene Woma Pinstripe Pastel to compare it to.

[Kara]

For example, how do they know super pastel is in there? Do they have the Enchi Granite Hidden Gene Woma Pinstripe Pastel to compare it to?
Anyway...

I'd be willing to bet that of the parents of that snake were each Super Pastels in addition to the other genes they carry.

Food for thought.

[ClarkT]

Yeah, I would guess the parents had to be supers of some sort. And the one I listed was just an example.

It's just that there comes a point when I call BS--that they can't really tell what's in that snake until it's bred and proven. And the only way to really tell what's in it would be to breed to normals or recessive single genes to see what you get.

They're definitely awesome snakes, and years ahead of most of us. And I love to see what they come up with. It's just a little annoying to me when they say what's in a snake that is, to me, almost impossible to tell when so many genes might be in it...

[Kara]

And again, more often than not, they can. Yes some of these morphs will take some breeding out to determine what all is (or isn't) in the genetic mix, but Kevin is also very straightforward when discussing the possibilities in these animals. Keep in mind, too, that very frequently Kevin does have the other variations on these combos (i.e. plus or minus certain traits) in his collection to use as a point of comparison when hatching new and never-before-seen critters.

I can certainly understand your skepticism when some of these mutation combos are indeed educated guesses at this point, but considering all the hard work that goes into them, "calling BS" comes across as a little harsh. Then again, maybe I don't get the "annoying" part...seems like something that isn't worth getting worked up over, when it's such a great opportunity for learning and discussion.

Just my $.02...
(and a little perspective after working @ NERD for the better part of a decade)

It's just that there comes a point when I call BS--that they can't really tell what's in that snake until it's bred and proven. And the only way to really tell what's in it would be to breed to normals or recessive single genes to see what you get.

They're definitely awesome snakes, and years ahead of most of us. And I love to see what they come up with. It's just a little annoying to me when they say what's in a snake that is, to me, almost impossible to tell when so many genes might be in it...