Why?

[spitzu]

Just a marketing gimmick. I don't think all of them are out to rip anyone off.

[dkoehl26]

What I don't like is the wording "X" het for "X" can be taken a few different ways. and then people want to argue if its het lucy or het lesser, in reality, its saying the exact same thing since its the same gene, being called heterozygous.

Lesser - Heterozygous
Lucy - Homozygous
boom, end of story, no confussion

I think the problem is actually the people jumping into this hobby and not learning genetics 101, seems like everyone knows what dominant, co-dominant, or recessive means, but doesn't know what heterozygous or homozygous means. het and homo are as basic as it gets, its like learning multiplication before addition, you can do it, but its a lot less confusing if you know the basics.

How many times have you herd someone say their "het pastel" and someone pips up and says "there no such thing as a het pastel, its a co-dom" ...... i would advise you learn the basics, just because our lingo shortens or removes words, still doesn't change the fact that every pastel, is in fact a het pastel.

I am not arguing the point of that I understand the genetics and know what het and homo means, the thing that urcs me is that some of these breeders are selling them more cause they are calling them a het. I know that lesser is the heterzygouse form and lucy is the homo, but to sell the snake for 100 dollars more then what is worth is not right. That is my problem with it.

[spitzu]

I am not arguing the point of that I understand the genetics and know what het and homo means, the thing that urcs me is that some of these breeders are selling them more cause they are calling them a het. I know that lesser is the heterzygouse form and lucy is the homo, but to sell the snake for 100 dollars more then what is worth is not right. That is my problem with it.

How do you know that they're selling it for "more"? More than what? Other breeders? When I start selling snakes I will list them for whatever I feel that they're worth, and they'll either sell or they won't. Other peoples' prices don't necessarily dictate what snakes sell for, as some people actually shop for quality snakes and professional breeders.

FYI, I just paid nearly 2X "market value" for a girl earlier this month because she was drop dead gorgeous and exactly what I was looking for, as well as coming from a breeder I trusted.

[dkoehl26]

How do you know that they're selling it for "more"? More than what? Other breeders? When I start selling snakes I will list them for whatever I feel that they're worth, and they'll either sell or they won't. Other peoples' prices don't necessarily dictate what snakes sell for, as some people actually shop for quality snakes and professional breeders.

I went go to the local reptile show out by me 2 times a month. The average price for a lesser there was 350 the one gentleman " I am not going to say the company name cause I am not into bashing people" sold his lesser het for lucy for 500 to a customer who does not know much about ball pythons.

[spitzu]

Maybe the lesser was an exceptional example to the buyer, or the breeder seemed a bit more reputable, or he/she had more weight, or was promised to be a good eater, etc, etc, etc.

AKA, an item/animal is worth what someone will pay for it and always will be. And if the seller was just a smooth talker and the buyer really was ignorant... well, to be honest, "a fool and his money are soon parted". I never buy anything without researching...

[mainbutter]

when I think of a het I think of a recessive gene

Uhh.... why?

In the definition of "heterozygous" or "heterozygote" has absolutely nothing to do with "recessive-ness".

Frankly I really hate the whole "super" terminology. It immediately indoctrinates people into using incorrect terminology.

[Foschi Exotic Serpents]

Aye yai yai

[mainbutter]

yeah but to sell the snake for 100 dollars more then what it should be sold for is not right.

First of all, it's worth whatever someone is willing to pay, not some random "market number" that you happen to see often in online classifieds.

$100 is a minimal fluctuation in price for any BP morph.. have you considered that the seller you are talking about thought his snake is worth "100 dollars more" simply because it was prettier?

When I set prices, I don't do much "shopping" around for a "market price", I set my prices to whatever I feel my animals are worth.

[dkoehl26]

Uhh.... why?

In the definition of "heterozygous" or "heterozygote" has absolutely nothing to do with "recessive-ness".

Frankly I really hate the whole "super" terminology. It immediately indoctrinates people into using incorrect terminology.

The reason why is when the breeders first started introducing the co-doms they never mentioned anything about hets. As of recently everyone is now starting to call them hets. All your recessive gene snakes have always been called het. I have talked to a few breeders out by me such as evan stahl who also disagrees with calling the co-doms het for something since they were not called "hets" when first introduced.

[dkoehl26]

First of all, it's worth whatever someone is willing to pay, not some random "market number" that you happen to see often in online classifieds.

$100 is a minimal fluctuation in price for any BP morph.. have you considered that the seller you are talking about thought his snake is worth "100 dollars more" simply because it was prettier?

When I set prices, I don't do much "shopping" around for a "market price", I set my prices to whatever I feel my animals are worth.

Yes I agree with you if someone is willing to pay more then "market price" then it is their own fault. I just don't agree with it.