First-time breeder

[NewParadigms]

I've made up my mind to take the plunge into breeding and (obviously) don't have the capital to buy up breeding age morphs to start with. My plan is to get 1.0 Spinner Juvenile, 0.2 Lemon Pastel Juveniles, 0.1 Cinny Juvenile, and 0.2 Normal Sub-Adults. The two normal females should allow me to start breeding a year earlier with at least the possibility of spiders, pinstripes, and hopefully a spinner or two, and a whole range of possibilities when the female morphs get of age.

I'm curious from those who have experience if this sounds like a good plan, or if perhaps I'm putting too many eggs in one basket by having only one double dominant male should he for some reason not produce? On paper it seems like a good idea, and the breeders I've talked to have said it sounded like a good plan, but I can always use more insight into potential issues or tweaks I could make to my plans.

[sho220]

Wow...that's definitely taking the plunge...two gene morphs right off the bat...

[NewParadigms]

Yeah, it's a bit of a plunge, but (fingers crossed) if he a produces well, he should more than pay for the $450 price difference just the first year. Then there is the possibility of Spinner Blast and Cinny Spins as soon as I can get the females up to weight, if I can get good odds that is.

[Powerspythons]

That sounds like a great plan as long as your male produces. However if he doesnt you're pretty much up that one creek without a paddle. Personally if I was going with your plan I'd back him up with atleast one co-dom or double co-dom male if you have the available funds for it. Also if it were up to me I'd go with a lesser(cause they're awesome) or a lesser x mojave BEL just to have more options. But if you check my signature you can see that I have a very male heavy collection, because I worry that someday my males might not be good breeders so they're all backed up by at least 2 or 3 others, which some would call overkill, but hey, if I can do it why not. lol.

But in the end its really up to you. If you're willing to take that chance then I applaud you, I feel like I would lose sleep worrying about it tho. lol.

[sho220]

It is kind of iffy relying on just the one male. It's usually a good idea to back up your primary guy with another male in case he's not up to the task...

Good luck...if all goes well you should have an exciting time!

[NewParadigms]

What percent of males do not produce? Anyone happen to know? Are spinners known as good/bad producers? From what I've heard spiders are supposed to be known as fairly strong breeders. If the chances are low that he'll be a dud, I may just play the odds and rely on him, if they are fairly high then I'll have little choice but to have a backup plan, maybe at least a mojave, yb, or pastel.

[kylerimb]

i know my male spider is VERY persistent...was locked (every time i looked) for 36 hours not long ago.

[BAD Morphs]

With pinstripe being in the spinner I would have a backup plan! Way too many times have I seen threads and heard ppl complaing on how their pins or pin combo's just won't breed till their 2nd or 3rd season. Hell, ask mr freakie frog he has a dud pin combo! LOL Sorry ed I just had to throw you under the bus!! Now my pinstripe male that I had last year bred for me his first season so I got pretty lucky compaired to some of the ppl that I have read their threads and or heard about.

[NewParadigms]

I already planned on the possibility that he wouldn't breed until the second season, especially considering the timing, he'll barely be 12 months when we get to next year's breeding season, so it's entirely likely that he may not be ready, but if he's good to go the next year and following years, I'll be happy with that. What I'm worried about is if he doesn't produce at all, how often does that happen? I know spiders are good breeders, and pins are not so good, so where does that place spinners?

[sho220]

I already planned on the possibility that he wouldn't breed until the second season, especially considering the timing, he'll barely be 12 months when we get to next year's breeding season, so it's entirely likely that he may not be ready, but if he's good to go the next year and following years, I'll be happy with that. What I'm worried about is if he doesn't produce at all, how often does that happen? I know spiders are good breeders, and pins are not so good, so where does that place spinners?

He should be good to go at 12 months...males can start breeding in their first winter. Whether or not the females are ready will be the question...