Why would a pet store be selling an ADULT BP?(MN if you want to rescue it)

[Byrdie]

honestly it was living in deplorable conditions!

It had no temp or humidity gauges and had a tiny shelter that there is no way it could fit itself in. I know BPs like tight secure hides but there is no way an adult BP could even curl up in the hide they had for it. The water dish was also tiny as hell.

We are new-ish owners to our BP and have had issues with maintaining a proper home for our snake but due to the help from some of the members on here I feel we have a good habitat for our snake.

Let me talk really slowly so you will understand. You do not know if the snake is being abused. You do not know. You may think you know, but you haven't seen the snake, the enclosure, nor talked to the owner of the pet store.
So how can you be so sure this animal needs to be rescued by the ASPCA?

So they went Through the same husbandry issues mentioned in her first post small water dish small hide though i don't know the other conditions when someone says

it was living in deplorable conditions!

and then came on a forum that talked about BP's and asked if someone would rescue it it must have been pretty damn bad

It does take some time AFTER you think you know it all, to actually know you don't. Particularly from several thousands miles away. Again, how do you know that the snake is being cared for in "Deplorable conditions"? You don't. so stop trying to paint a bad picture when you are clearly sitting in a dark room.

I never said i "know it all" but I'm also not an idiot that knows nothing either and "Deplorable conditions" was not from me that was straight from the OP so again READ BEFORE YOU BASH!

No, but you are spewing bad mojo. Maybe if you had seen the condition of the snake or know of the pet store, we could take your recommendations more seriously. But since you seem to think you know what's best for an animal 2 thousand miles away and you know nothing about the situation other than by what a self described newbie described, we are not going to agree with you. Since you seem to know what's best, I'll leave you so you may better serve the reptile community.

Well I sure am glad you will leave me be because someone arguing that I'm a no nothing uneducated idiot just because I'm new really hurts my feelings especially if that someone is over the internet AND THEY WON'T AGREE WITH ME!? :

But a little hint, by your own postings, you have shown many times that you are a newbie and do not completely understand.

but but but.... I KNOW EVERYTHING!! since i say that whenever i post right? cause its soooo true

Good Day!
Jim Smith

I WILL and to you too Mr. Jim Smith

[j_h_smith]

This week my boyfriend and I went and purchased some hoppers for our BP at a petland store. We discovered an adult BP there(which was not there 2 weeks earlier) going through a bad shed and honestly it was living in deplorable conditions!

It had no temp or humidity gauges and had a tiny shelter that there is no way it could fit itself in. I know BPs like tight secure hides but there is no way an adult BP could even curl up in the hide they had for it. The water dish was also tiny as hell.

These are not deplorable conditions.

Jim Smith

[Byrdie]

These are not deplorable conditions.

Jim Smith

those are just what she described what if it was FAR worse and she didn't say? guess we will have to wait until she replies to this thread to know the full facts

[j_h_smith]

those are just what she described what if it was FAR worse and she didn't say? guess we will have to wait until she replies to this thread to know the full facts

Should have, would have, could have...what ifs too...probably not the best way to try to give advice.

Look, it's your story, and I'm just a character. You just need to be careful giving such extreme advice concerning something when really don't have the true facts.

Jim Smith

[LeviBP]

I had the same problem at my Petland. They ordered in two '10 BP's and obviously have no idea how to care for them. They are in the same enclosure, which is hardly big enough for a tarantula, no places to hide, no warm side/cool side, and often their water dish is bone dry.

[Byrdie]

I will contact the ASPCA over it because I was frankly disgusted by it's living conditions!

all i gave was advice towards a direction something i would have done i also mention complaining to the owner telling them that snakes Husbandry should be changed as i said I AM NO EXPERT why you continue to argue over the internet with someone thousands of miles away is a mystery to me but let me just say one last thing before i leave

Arguing with someone over the internet is like the special olympics...even if you win your still Retarded

so Good day to you Mr. Jim Smith

[MakiMaki]

It sounds like the staff at the store were not properly educated on how to care for a ball python. Why not take the time to share your knowledge with them and help them and the snake at the same time. Then, when they talk to customers, they can pass on helpful information on how to care for ball pythons. Let's share and promote this hobby.

[Xan Powers]

reason #1 not to call the ASPCA, and rather just talk to the store manager yourself. -the ASPCA backed hr 669- this should not have been an issue that required a privately owned company's interference. especially not someone the likes the ASPCA or PETA.

my 2 cents.


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[Stewart_Reptiles]

One I’d like to remind the OP that third party advertising even if you have good intention is not allowed on this forum therefore I have removed the address of the store. (mod speech over)

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Now as far as condition very little is known here, the animal is likely surrender, It happens when owners can no longer or no longer want to take care of their reptiles and surrender them to a pet store that will in turn either adopt or sell them.

As far as condition BP do go through bad shed even when kept in optimal conditions, anyone that has never experience a bad shed probably has not kept snakes long enough to start with.

As far as jumping to making a report to the ASPCA, are you serious? If one is suspecting animal neglect which again has not been established here the first thing to do is to talk to the person in charge of that department and offer tips on how to make the husbandry better (should it be necessary or needed), if that does not work the next step would be talking to the store manager.

Sometimes what appears as neglect is not as much as neglect than it is lack of information and the best recourse in that case is to offer help rather than jumping the gun.

Straight from the Caresheet

Caresheets are mainly guidelines to help new owners provide optimal environment while they are learning about their new animal, does not mean everyone keeps their animal that way? No big difference in what I recommend for new owners and what I do (It's about experience and knowing your own animal), heck if you saw how I kept mine you might report me to ASPCA , no hides in most of the enclosures (use to offer them but they are mainly useless with most of my animals), water dishes are way too small for any snake to soak in, oh and during the winter I do experience bad shed

Bottom line jumping and making accusation of neglect and wanting to have aspca involved is too premature and not something I would suggest without knowing more about the situation.

[zina10]

Wow, you all...

Lets remember one thing first of all. We are all here for the LOVE of our Ball Python. This is our passion, hobby and for some even an income.

That said, everyone has SOME points. If we could cool our heels, we could see that.

I do believe the OP jumped the gun. It might have been good intentions, but even then its a good idea to educate her to see the big picture. A pet store rarely keeps animals in the way a good care sheet recommends them to do. That goes for any animal they keep. They are supposed to be there for a short time only.

Now, they should also not keep them in "deplorable" conditions, obviously !!!

An enclosure being to small to be optimal, is not deplorable. Unless the animal is a dog that can't turn around in its cage. A snake prefers a smaller enclosure. A hide being to small (or big) is not optimal, but def. not a reason to call the police !! A small water dish ??? I ONLY have small water dishes, I don't believe (and thats imho) that a BP needs to be able to "soak" itself. I have small dishes with CLEAN and FRESH water, though. Never had a bad shed, yet...

A bad shed or the snake being an adult is still not a reason to call anyone on them. It could be that someone got tired of their snake and dropped it off in that condition (and enclosure) at the petshop, happens all the time. Bad quarantine ? Again, thats almost every pet shop there is. I don't like pet shops selling live animals, but that is a fight that needs to be approached from different levels.

I wouldn't call anyone just yet. How about approaching the Pet Store associates or owner and asking them what the deal is ?? How about telling them they might want to add a bigger hide ? Not having those dial thermometers doesn't mean there is no heat. There might and might not. Thats why someone can ASK.

I do understand many people getting angry at seeing snakes in bad surroundings or bad conditions. Who wouldn't get upset. I understand at feeling the need to do something about it. Its actually commendable !!!

However, its also important to do the RIGHT thing, and not make things worse for our hobby, unintentionally. So education is the key.

So perhaps a deep breath and lets start over.

That said, I did rescue an adult BP from a pet store once. It was a HUGE adult female, stuck in a 10 gallon. That female weighed 4500 gr !!!! There was no heat, no hide (snake barely fit in the tank) and a tiny dish without any water. I knew the owner, and I knew talking to him or calling anyone on him really never did any good. I bought the snake for $50, knowing she had the beginnings of a RI. It took a while to turn her around, she whistled, bubbled and made the strangest noises, poor thing. But she did recuperate and dropped a surprise clutch later on !! 6 HUGE eggs, 5 HUGE and pretty hatchlings (between 89 and 112 gr. each)

Lets remember what we're here for and that education is the key...