We all loved Steve Irwin....well do it for him then.

[waltah!]

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This.

My comment here will not be on the topic at hand. It will be be directed at a chosen few.
If you can't get your point across without throwing repetitive insults around it makes you look weak.
If you feel the need to insult an entire group of people with comments such as the "Ringer" comment above it makes you look even weaker.
Some people can debate a nice clean debate, and some have to immediately stoop to a lower level. Those that stoop to the lower level of a debate will rarely win one and are in danger of making themselves look like children.

[wilomn]

All of the last few posters have points. Some on top of their well meaning heads, but points nonetheless.

This was never about Steve. Never.

So let's not fool ourselves into thinking it was. Base your behavior on the facts.

While some of you may not have had enough of bg's crap, some of us have. You go on and be all nicey nicey if you like and feel free to voice your opposition to those of us who don't feel the same need.

Like Schools of Martial Arts, we may not do things the same way, but most of us have the same goals in mind. Success should sometimes be measured by the outcome, not how nice the form used to achieve it.

Sometimes nice just won't do. Sometimes you just don't have any desire to be nice. And there's nothing wrong with that. Sometimes. This is most assuredly one of those times. If a fish is foolish enough to ask you to kick it in the gills over and over, is it wrong to do as asked? No one said to the fish, "come here fish, I want to kick you in the gills."

The fish asked, the fish got. If you don't like fish, isn't there a dead horse somewhere around here looking for attention?

[JLC]

While some of you may not have had enough of bg's crap, some of us have. You go on and be all nicey nicey if you like and feel free to voice your opposition to those of us who don't feel the same need.

What I don't get, Wes...is that if you guys are so gosh-darned tired of BG and his crap...then why do you keep responding to it and egging it on even more?

I'm pretty darned tired of it myself now. And unfortunately, unlike YOU, I can't ignore it because I have a responsibility to make sure everyone involved in this ridiculous little playground spat behaves the rules. But YOU, and everyone else (barring staff) CAN ignore the very thing you're so weary of. So.....why not? I know you're intelligent enough to understand that if he doesn't get any fuel for his fire, it'll die out on its own. So why do you guys keep throwing on the dry tinder?

[Big Gunns]

I will politefully diagree. You can't expect any sentient being to read your comments and blindly believe them to be fact. If this is your actual expectation, I am worried about you. Please don't take this the wrong way, but you are not the final answer to any question. We as a community have a cetain degree of responsibilty to question anyone here that posts opinion as fact.




So why is your group attempting to prevent them from carrying out their rights that are covered within government laws? Why would a member of your group take a boat into the cove and cut the nets the fishermen were using? If in fact you believe what you are yourself stating above, why are you there trying to prevent them from fishing which is in fact (by your own words) legal?



But I don't beieve you are "asking" them to change their culture. Can you actually say that your group's activities would remotely be considered, in any culture, as "asking them to change"?

I await your response.
Jim Smith

So you are now admitting that the SSC has in the past and presently are committing crimes against countries all over the world? From shooting at police, to bombing and sinking ships within costal waters where International law isn't in effect.



Please refrain from using this type of language while we are having an adult conversation.



Please state what national or international laws Japan is violating. That's all I'm asking from you. What laws are they violating?



All except that pesky research clause. I believe it's Article VII of the IWC bylaws. In fact, it was a bylaw of the IWC predecssor.



But that's where we differ. You can think what you want, but I deal in facts. What Japan is doing is immoral, but it is not illegal, regardless of your "feelings".




Again, lets stay on subject. Please refrain from useless diversions.

Jim Smith

Smitty...BG has a saying. He's said it before, and he'll say it again now.

Only a fool argues with someone who knows they're right. BG is no such fool. Somehow BG doesn't think this will satisfy you, but that's all you're going to get from BG from now on. Seek help my friend.

Now let BG check on the other nonsense here.

[wilomn]

Same reason you poke a stick into an anthill.

To make them run.

He's easy and funny and sad all at the same time. And he asks for it. Loudly and often.

I'm well aware of my flaws. Sticks and ants are one of them.

[Big Gunns]

What I don't get, Wes...is that if you guys are so gosh-darned tired of BG and his crap...then why do you keep responding to it and egging it on even more?

I'm pretty darned tired of it myself now. And unfortunately, unlike YOU, I can't ignore it because I have a responsibility to make sure everyone involved in this ridiculous little playground spat behaves the rules. But YOU, and everyone else (barring staff) CAN ignore the very thing you're so weary of. So.....why not? I know you're intelligent enough to understand that if he doesn't get any fuel for his fire, it'll die out on its own. So why do you guys keep throwing on the dry tinder?

Judy, they do it so you'll be forced to do something about it. They want anything to do with BG gone. Really. They don't want it to "die out". They know if they keep pushing it will end up deleted or in QT. I'm sure you can find a way to not let them get away with it.

[Big Gunns]

Willy is gonna try as hard as he can to close this one. He wouldn't want to whole BP.net world to see how wrong he was now would he.

BG really just wants people to see how Steve felt.

Don't forget what BG said here.

[Big Gunns]

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Doesn't it have to be in the QT for them to respond?

No, no you can't. Idc what point you are trying to make. If you are going to be in anyway shape or form credible you can't. IF and only IF you had any form of education and/or intelligence you would know this.
Your lack of intelligence is actually getting to be quite annoying. You have yet to say ANYTHING other than what you haven't said already numerous times already.
And I know BG your mommy told you, you were special and oh so smart. But guess what momma was only half right, your extremely "special".

And I FINALLY figured out who you remind me of.....you know the movie "The Ringer"? Well......you're JIMMY. Both of you refer to yourself in the 3rd person, both are full of yourselves and both are mentally handicap.
I'm sorry I shouldn't be making fun of you now, I just feel bad. But it's ok my big special man, it will be ok. Keep saving those "dolphins" in "Japan".

HMMMM.....what kind of fool debates an issue with someone with such an obvious "lack of intelligence"? Bigger one maybe.

TIME OUT!

Golly, my "Motherness" can't let it go anymore.

Except for Jim Smith, all you anti-BG folks chill out!

Especially you, MitsuMike.

#1: BG is BG. That's THE WAY HE IS. Accept it or move on. We don't harp on you for having a big nose, stop harping on him for having a big head!

You know my sister sometimes irritate the crap out of me. But, I know that's just the way she is and there's really nothing I can do to change that. So, when we talk and she starts to irritate me, I take a big breath and weed out the message from the bullcrap. Because, the delivery might be stupid, but the message, usually, is not. So I can argue with her without resorting to petty insults!

#2: When BG puts on airs, we roll our eyes, laugh, or sigh in disgust... it's just part of being BG. When you spew insults like the post above, it just makes you sound stupid, because hey, that kind of bad-mouthing coming from a supposedly "better person" is not what we SEE YOU AS! You're better than that! Now, wilomn... that's the way he is. He can be acerbic but his posts are always literary genius. I just wish he would rise up to be the better man that he can be and leave the insults out of a thread that is dedicated to Steve Irwin. You can pick your BG battle on a "lighter" thread. There are some of us who take Steve Irwin and his causes very seriously.

Now, Jim Smith's posts... they're good... it's a serious rebuttal of BG's activities, not BG himself. It would be great if Robin would do his surgery again and take out the other ones that just whines about BG. But, Robin, I know you're going to sigh and say, Not again!

So, yeah, c'mon guys... we can be civil can't we?

Okay, PLAY.

Don't worry "anatess". BG will "rise up and be the bigger man". He has the rest of his life to do so. Some will think it's all for "pats on the back"...some will realize something different. All that really matters is that whatever BG is doing, he's gonna do it well. There really is only one person that knows BG's true motives...and his name is Neil.

My 2 cents on the cultural thing.

Jim, I'm kinda with BG on this one. For example, in the Philippines, the culture is such that you can't find a bird flying around outside of the thick forests. Why... because people shoot them on sight. When I was a little kid, my family would go visit the family farm in the mountains of Bohol (we live in the city, an entire day's trip from the farm) every summer. My brother would hike through acres of rice fields to get to the edge of the forest just to find a hawk. And when he sees one and talks excitedly about it, the local farmers would be quick to go to the edge of the forest the next day with their rifles.

It's cultural, you see. People are poor, especially in the farming town that they would shoot anything that has any potential of meat. Extinct or not. The smallest monkey - the Tarsier - is native to Bohol. Good luck finding them. They slipped into endangered species list because Filipinos take them for meat.

This culture needs to change and my family is fairly active in changing it. This is what my family is doing:
Nalusuan Island
My family is native to the town of Cordova. One of my uncles or cousins have been the mayor of that town since the early 70's. The Municipality of Cordova is very active in pursuing conservation efforts by empowering the population to choose responsible harvest practices. It is a mission that involves cultural change. If you look at the tab that says Vision-Mission-Goals, it outlines what we are trying to accomplish at Nalusuan. This is one of many efforts we are trying to accomplish to "change the culture" there.

Nalusuan is home to several species of fish, sea turtles, and birds, including the Philippine Eagle, most of which are on the endangered list. The hotel funds all these efforts. We partner with the Universities to do research etc, to provide sustainable livelihood to the local fishermen and hunters while educating them on conservation and responsible harvest. The message is simple: Just because you see a bird flying doesn't necessarily mean it needs to become a food source. We can farm birds to have a sustainable supply. And we will help you gain the skills to do so.

Okay, I do agree with you that there is a much better way to change Japanese culture than what the Sea Shepherd is doing. We have done it in Nalusuan. It is a success. But, a change in culture is necessary to save the Dolphins.

Little Factoid: Nalusuan means Land of the male genitalia.

It's funny that Indonesia is so much similar to the Philippines. I kinda figured it was, but from your posts I realize just how similar it is. It's great that you're doing what you're doing. I would say something BG has been up to for a while now, but obviously that will only seem like "bragging". Also, there's no real need for anyone here to know at this point. People that know me best know that I'll only say something if I feel it's important to what I'm trying to achieve. Dang it. This will still seem like bragging to the sick ones. Oh well.

Keep up the good work in the Philippines.

This.

My comment here will not be on the topic at hand. It will be be directed at a chosen few.
If you can't get your point across without throwing repetitive insults around it makes you look weak.
If you feel the need to insult an entire group of people with comments such as the "Ringer" comment above it makes you look even weaker.
Some people can debate a nice clean debate, and some have to immediately stoop to a lower level. Those that stoop to the lower level of a debate will rarely win one and are in danger of making themselves look like children.

BG has to agree.

All of the last few posters have points. Some on top of their well meaning heads, but points nonetheless.

This was never about Steve. Never.

So let's not fool ourselves into thinking it was. Base your behavior on the facts.

While some of you may not have had enough of bg's crap, some of us have. You go on and be all nicey nicey if you like and feel free to voice your opposition to those of us who don't feel the same need.

Like Schools of Martial Arts, we may not do things the same way, but most of us have the same goals in mind. Success should sometimes be measured by the outcome, not how nice the form used to achieve it.

Sometimes nice just won't do. Sometimes you just don't have any desire to be nice. And there's nothing wrong with that. Sometimes. This is most assuredly one of those times. If a fish is foolish enough to ask you to kick it in the gills over and over, is it wrong to do as asked? No one said to the fish, "come here fish, I want to kick you in the gills."

The fish asked, the fish got. If you don't like fish, isn't there a dead horse somewhere around here looking for attention?

Well well well...will you look at that statement. Success should sometimes be measured by the outcome, not how nice the form used to achieve it BG thanks you for that statement. BG will be sending it to Sea Shepherd so they can put it on the front page of their site. It's GREAT and is exactly what BG thinks they believe. You see BG said "thinks" because BG can't speak for them. He is not a member of Sea Shepherd. BG only supports some of their causes. Taiji being one of them.

"Martial arts". BG is really scared now.

Same reason you poke a stick into an anthill.

To make them run.

He's easy and funny and sad all at the same time. And he asks for it. Loudly and often.

I'm well aware of my flaws. Sticks and ants are one of them.

BG ain't gonna "run" anywhere from somebody like you. Now he may have to leave to do another "top secret mission", but no way he's gonna "run".

[FatBoy]

Oh wow...I have been reading a few days now without commenting...but I felt like saying something. I'm the peace making, nice kinda guy. We all do good things in life, some outweigh others, but there is good in all of us. I know MANY people that want to be observed for their good deeds, bragged on, patted on the back, etc. I know many people that do good things and are satisfied with just knowing they are doing good, like me. BG is doing something good, maybe he wants a pat on the back, maybe he just wants to bring attention to a cause, who knows? My point here is BG himself. He is VERY annoying, I used to feel the same way most of you do about him...until I spent the most part of a weekend with him!! He is just as annoying in person, and he does refer to himself in 3rd person, in person But...Bigg Gunns is a decent guy with a good heart. He sat and talked with me and shared some of his ball python experience with me, he flirted with my wife, and tried to teach my 16 year old son how to pick up chicks...although he ended up learning some lessens from the young buck He has an obvious love for the animals he works with. He has since then called me on occassion to just talk, check on me and make sure I was ok. He was a lot of help to me personally, most of you know I lost my right arm in an auto accident 2 years ago, we have talked for hours just him trying to help me figure out ways to do things easier and more efficient (with one hand). I have called him for advise, or just a pick me up, he always answers his phone is is willing to help me. He's not a bad guy. If you want to trash his ways then I understand...but before you attack him personally, get to know the man, the myth, the legend in his own mind. LOL. He's alright in my book...even if he is annoying as hell!!!

[Big Gunns]

Oh wow...I have been reading a few days now without commenting...but I felt like saying something. I'm the peace making, nice kinda guy. We all do good things in life, some outweigh others, but there is good in all of us. I know MANY people that want to be observed for their good deeds, bragged on, patted on the back, etc. I know many people that do good things and are satisfied with just knowing they are doing good, like me. BG is doing something good, maybe he wants a pat on the back, maybe he just wants to bring attention to a cause, who knows? My point here is BG himself. He is VERY annoying, I used to feel the same way most of you do about him...until I spent the most part of a weekend with him!! He is just as annoying in person, and he does refer to himself in 3rd person, in person But...Bigg Gunns is a decent guy with a good heart. He sat and talked with me and shared some of his ball python experience with me, he flirted with my wife, and tried to teach my 16 year old son how to pick up chicks...although he ended up learning some lessens from the young buck He has an obvious love for the animals he works with. He has since then called me on occassion to just talk, check on me and make sure I was ok. He was a lot of help to me personally, most of you know I lost my right arm in an auto accident 2 years ago, we have talked for hours just him trying to help me figure out ways to do things easier and more efficient (with one hand). I have called him for advise, or just a pick me up, he always answers his phone is is willing to help me. He's not a bad guy. If you want to trash his ways then I understand...but before you attack him personally, get to know the man, the myth, the legend in his own mind. LOL. He's alright in my book...even if he is annoying as hell!!!

Postal money order is in the mail good buddy.

By the way, if BG doesn't pick up the phone for any of his fans....he's probably on one of his "top secret missions".

ps. The funny thing is. Big Gunns good friends have no clue who Big Gunns is. Not a clue. It's only snake people.....and now the people of Taiji Japan. However, soon it will be THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!