Mites !!!!! NOOOOooooo

[Skiploder]

hmmm I have never had luck with prevent a mite

So you used PAM and it didn't work?

No pest strips do diddly over squat for eggs...........

[JEWSKIN]

herpo.com prper use of no pest stripl
too much PAM
all natural way to get rid of em
how to use PAM

[JEWSKIN]

So you used PAM and it didn't work?

No pest strips do diddly over squat for eggs...........

nothing actually kills the eggs it's just like flea eggs theyre gonna hatch every ten days they are made to survive how ever just a wee crack to come into the world and dead

[beeboy3]

I know everyone has a method and a plan of attack please tell me the secret to this travesty attack on my yellow-belly ball python female???

Thanks Kindly,

lance

No joke, olive oil will drown mites .Coat snake in a container with olive oil, leave for an hour,then rinse off with warm water.

[Skiploder]

nothing actually kills the eggs it's just like flea eggs theyre gonna hatch every ten days they are made to survive how ever just a wee crack to come into the world and dead

Re-read my quote. No one made the claim PAM kills eggs, but it does provide long term residual protection.

[JEWSKIN]

Re-read my quote. No one made the claim PAM kills eggs, but it does provide long term residual protection.

i was refering to you saying that the no pest did diddly for the eggs merely pointing out that nothing really does....there was no intentional offensiveness meant

[Skiploder]

herpo.com prper use of no pest stripl
too much PAM
all natural way to get rid of em
how to use PAM

So that video of the ball python is yours? You specifically made the claim that you did not have good luck with PAM. I am interested to know the details of that claim.

You are aware that you are posting on a forum where people new to the hobby often grab onto little nuggets of advice and run with them- right? With that in mind, and also keeping in mind that PAM is much safer and much more effective than no-pest strips, do you feel comfortable recommending these strips over safer, easier to use methods?

Young animals are often adversely affected by no-pest strips even when the are used in a manner which does not affect adult animals. Added to that, there are several species of snakes that have been shown to have heightened sensitivity to these strips. It's way to easy to use these strips incorrectly and harm your animals.

From VPI:

"There are two problems in using pest strips. One is that cholinesterase is an important component of the vertebrate nervous system, as well as invertebrates. In high concentrations, Vapona fumes can cause anorexia, loss of coordination and death in snakes. Some snakes are very sensitive to Vapona fumes, notably white-lipped pythons, ringed pythons, and some Asian ratsnakes. So the trick is to use a big enough piece of the bar to create a high enough concentration of the fumes to get the mites, but not too much for the snakes or the keepers. "

As for predatory mites - I've used them. They are effective, but take longer to control an outbreak and are not as effective as PAM.

Let me repeat - I have used PAM and predatory mites. I still use PAM and do not use hypoaspis. Hypoaspis do not control outbreaks in large collections as effectively as PAM. Hypoaspis can not be used prophylactically like PAM.

[Skiploder]

i was refering to you saying that the no pest did diddly for the eggs merely pointing out that nothing really does....there was no intentional offensiveness meant

No pest strips do diddly for eggs. they contain DDVP - http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...id=slow-acting

PAM provides residual protection - protecting your snakes against eggs that were laid before the substrate and/or enclosure was treated.

[JEWSKIN]

So that video of the ball python is yours? You specifically made the claim that you did not have good luck with PAM. I am interested to know the details of that claim.

You are aware that you are posting on a forum where people new to the hobby often grab onto little nuggets of advice and run with them- right? With that in mind, and also keeping in mind that PAM is much safer and much more effective than no-pest strips, do you feel comfortable recommending these strips over safer, easier to use methods?

Young animals are often adversely affected by no-pest strips even when the are used in a manner which does not affect adult animals. Added to that, there are several species of snakes that have been shown to have heightened sensitivity to these strips. It's way to easy to use these strips incorrectly and harm your animals.

From VPI:

"There are two problems in using pest strips. One is that cholinesterase is an important component of the vertebrate nervous system, as well as invertebrates. In high concentrations, Vapona fumes can cause anorexia, loss of coordination and death in snakes. Some snakes are very sensitive to Vapona fumes, notably white-lipped pythons, ringed pythons, and some Asian ratsnakes. So the trick is to use a big enough piece of the bar to create a high enough concentration of the fumes to get the mites, but not too much for the snakes or the keepers. "

As for predatory mites - I've used them. They are effective, but take longer to control an outbreak and are not as effective as PAM.

Let me repeat - I have used PAM and predatory mites. I still use PAM and do not use hypoaspis. Hypoaspis do not control outbreaks in large collections as effectively as PAM. Hypoaspis can not be used prophylactically like PAM.

1. no vid I found and tried to find one on misuse of pest strip as well.....still searching
2. also not there are vids for three methods of getting rid of them
3. yes I am quite aware that people take tid bits and run with them alot of people whether they be new to the hobby or seasoned vets (human nature)
4. Yes, I had a more than one failed experience with PAM that's my experience never had any snake(s) get sick from the no pest strips
5.Vapona....not an ingredient in the hotshot no pest strips as they are for use indoors I do believe strips containing vapona were discontinued.....
6. Yes I would recommend using the no pest strips properly as well I have used them since I got into the herp field since prevent a mite wasn't available when I got started not to mention I am not thrilled with the thought of spraying chemicals on MY snakes. to each their own I know what works for me I know how to use it properly and I am always open to new ideas so the relentless attack when someone merely asks for advice whos obviously doing research as well is well uncalled for especially sine two other ways were also listed

[JEWSKIN]

No pest strips do diddly for eggs. they contain DDVP - http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...id=slow-acting

PAM provides residual protection - protecting your snakes against eggs that were laid before the substrate and/or enclosure was treated.

and any chemical bad enough the residue left behind yeah not so happy about that one not to mention down the drain in to the water supply yummy since most water treatment plants well reuse water as they found out in CA doing water tests those pills you flush well you get ur small doses right back and this chemical though synthetic has probables on the same things well minus one but basically just as dangerous if misused just as ANYTHING with chemicals is

active ingredient in provent a mite