spider x spider

[JayCee]

To believe you can get a homozygous spider from a spider X spider pairing you have to assume:

A) It's a grand conspiracy by a handful of ball python breeders to deny the existence of their homozygous spiders.

or

B) None have ever been produced from any of the spider x spider pairings (just a matter of bad luck)

or

C) There are homozygous spiders that were produced but have never been bred so no one knows they are homozygous spiders.

[JD'S Exotics]

Ok this is just a question to throw out there and I am by no means a geneticist. But could it be that the homozygous form has no different look at all it just caries both the spider alleles? or traits so that when bred back to a normal would still produce all spiders? Let say normal spider is Sa so homo form would be SS and then the punnett would work out as all having one normal carrier and 1 spider carrier as the homo form would no longer have a normal carrier?

[seeya205]

I guess it is possible! We would need someone to breed spider x spider and then breed several of the babies to normals to see what happens! I would assume at least one of the big breeders have tried with no luck!

[rabernet]

I spent months researching the wobble, and read in a few places that some breeders have bred Spider to Spider and found that an unusual number of eggs just fail.

It literally took me months and it involved a lot of hearesay and crap. To my knowledge it's never been officially tested or anything, either.

These two statements seem conflicting to me.

I've also never heard any breeder state that they found an unusual number of eggs failing from spider to spider. Instead, I've heard them say that they get spiders and normals from that breeding, but not visual supers.

It's been theorized many times here that it may be a lethal gene and those that are supers simply don't even survive enough to become eggs.

I'm in the camp that there is no super form of the spider - lethal or otherwise.

[rabernet]

I guess it is possible! We would need someone to breed spider x spider and then breed several of the babies to normals to see what happens! I would assume at least one of the big breeders have tried with no luck!

I'm sure that if there was a super - Kevin McCurley (who imported the first spider, from whom all spiders are descended) bred enough spider to spider in the early days to figure out pretty quickly that there is no super.

On top of that, there have been multitudes of people that have come before some of you who also said "someone should breed spider to spider and see".

In other words, more than enough breeders over MANY years have tried the breeding. It's not a new concept. To date - no one has produced a super spider.

[TheReptileEnthusiast]

On top of that, there have been multitudes of people that have come before some of you who also said "someone should breed spider to spider and see".

In other words, more than enough breeders over MANY years have tried the breeding. It's not a new concept. To date - no one has produced a super spider.

Exactly, I have only been on this forum for a year and change, and this topic has been played out a hundred times.

[OhhWatALoser]

I'm sure that if there was a super - Kevin McCurley (who imported the first spider, from whom all spiders are descended) bred enough spider to spider in the early days to figure out pretty quickly that there is no super.

On top of that, there have been multitudes of people that have come before some of you who also said "someone should breed spider to spider and see".

In other words, more than enough breeders over MANY years have tried the breeding. It's not a new concept. To date - no one has produced a super spider.

I think its pretty obvious there is no super spider, but my question is, is it lethal or is it a more complicated gene than make it only exist in the het form. someonewho had access to a ultrasound could see if eggs start or not.

I just think it would be nice to have an answer to the question what do i get when I bred spider x spider. is it 33% normal 66% spider, 50/50, 75/25?

[moravaguy]

i found this to be helpful
http://www.ballpython.ca/genetics.html

[Steveoo]

well this tread was not started to ask the question of a supper form of a spider and not even if there was a homozygous that just looked like a normal spider but the Question was is it going to be worth breeding to spiders or is it going to kill off to many of the young?
i want to breed
spider het axanthic x spider het axanthic
to hopefully end up with more axanthic spiders. i know i can breed a normal het to a spider het and possible end up with one but i wanted to up my chances by having both parents be spider.
THATS WHAT THIS POST STARTED AS. so this really isnt just an other post about supper spider or not. see?

[moravaguy]

well this tread was not started to ask the question of a supper form of a spider and not even if there was a homozygous that just looked like a normal spider but the Question was is it going to be worth breeding to spiders or is it going to kill off to many of the young?
i want to breed
spider het axanthic x spider het axanthic
to hopefully end up with more axanthic spiders. i know i can breed a normal het to a spider het and possible end up with one but i wanted to up my chances by having both parents be spider.
THATS WHAT THIS POST STARTED AS. so this really isnt just an other post about supper spider or not. see?

yeah we see but this is what happens with a spider x spider question and the real answer is going to be..... breed them and see how it goes. i say they will be fine, IMO, because you have people breeding "spider based" balls, like bees and such, all the time and they seem to be doing ok. IMO.